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    #21
    Originally posted by Bendigo View Post
    Unless their skin happened to be a little dark...

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      #22
      Jack Dempsey is a all time great heavyweight and a great fighter, One of the most popular fighters that ever lived due to his non stop remorseless swarming attack and his KO power, Jack Dempsey was one of the most famoust people of his era if the most famous, he created the first millon doller gate for boxing and was a huge draw. But i don't think he was the best fighter of all time, when he won the world title against Jesse Wilard he was belived to have dipped his bandagers in cament, and due to this nearly every punch wilard was hit with he went down with and wilard also suffered server injures breaking willards jaw, ribs cheekbone and also he was coughing up blood, he stopped wilard in 3 Rounds. And also Harry Greb was belived to have had the better of him in sparring. But besides that Dempsey was a great fighter and if you wanna call him the greasest that your view, and will be remembered as one of the best to ever lace them up and paved the way for such fighters like Liston,Tyson Frazier and so on .

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        #23
        Originally posted by Silencers View Post
        Dempsey was ahead of his time but he was very flawed defensively, he was really good on offense with his smothering attack as well as his combinations both to the body and head but I have trouble seeing Dempsey beating the best of the best at heavyweight.
        Dempsey bad defense? In what world? Have you seen Dempsey's full fights and not just knockout clips. If all you have ever seen were is swarming knockouts then I can see how you would think that Dempsey had flawed defense. But someone who has watched his fights in full would be amazed at the exposition of the bob and weave.

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          #24
          Originally posted by Bendigo View Post
          Unless their skin happened to be a little dark...
          To be fair to Dempsey, he signed to fight Harry Wills twice. But Tex Rickard, the big promoter of the day was determined not to promote another black vs white title fight, after the race riots which followed Johnson vs Jeffries.

          Before becoming champ he did fight John Lester Johnson, who was black.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Silencers View Post
            Dempsey was ahead of his time but he was very flawed defensively, he was really good on offense with his smothering attack as well as his combinations both to the body and head but I have trouble seeing Dempsey beating the best of the best at heavyweight.

            he perfected the Bob and Weav that both Dempsey and tyson used

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              #26
              Originally posted by GTTofAK View Post
              Dempsey bad defense? In what world? Have you seen Dempsey's full fights and not just knockout clips. If all you have ever seen were is swarming knockouts then I can see how you would think that Dempsey had flawed defense. But someone who has watched his fights in full would be amazed at the exposition of the bob and weave.
              I've seen full fights of Dempsey, he sometimes also leans too far forward when he threw right hands, changing stances when he didn't want to, he was also open to right hands when because of how low he kept his left.

              His bobbing and weaving was great but he could get tagged when he wasn't doing that because of his low hands and sometimes he would just rush forward without head movement.
              Last edited by Silencers; 09-17-2008, 01:14 AM.

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                #27
                In reply to Kid McCoy, yes he did face a black contender in John Lester Johnson, but the match was a draw, which a few paper decisions at the time had Johnson winning. Johnson also broke 3 of Dempseys ribs, and made his name in the Light Heavyweight division. John Lester Johnson is also the only man Dempsey never gave a rematch to after no clear winner, whereas he was given rematches in the losses he was recieving to the likes of Jack Downey and Johnny Sudenberg.

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