How many people on this site actually believe Foreman was invincible?

[res]

It seems on this site that there are a great many people who, when you come right down to it, believe that the young George Foreman was deity. They seem to believe that he would easily crush any boxer in history, and the only reason I believe they don't say this even about Ali is because we all saw Ali beat him with our own eyes; and a far post-prime Ali at that.

So what fighters does everyone think would either beat or atleast put up a hard fight against Foreman?

[randy johnson]

Nobody in invincible and if you believe a fighter is then you have some problems. But i dont see anybody here pretending Foreman was unbeatable. People do pretend Maricano is though even though he lost 3 times. People pretend Ali was invincible even though he probably lost more than 10 times if you add the fights he lost but got gift wins because of his skin color (not being black) People pretend Mike Tyson in his prime was unstoppable even though he was knocked out 5 timse in his career. People pretend Manny Pac is some type of invincible monster even though in his prime he was knocked out in 1 round and most of the people he fight are jokes.

[Southpaw Stinger]

Nobody truely believes any fighter is invicible..

[BKM-]

Nobody in invincible and if you believe a fighter is then you have some problems. But i dont see anybody here pretending Foreman was unbeatable. People do pretend Maricano is though even though he lost 3 times. People pretend Ali was invincible even though he probably lost more than 10 times if you add the fights he lost but got gift wins because of his skin color (not being black) People pretend Mike Tyson in his prime was unstoppable even though he was knocked out 5 timse in his career. People pretend Manny Pac is some type of invincible monster even though in his prime he was knocked out in 1 round and most of the people he fight are jokes.

Fighters being knocked out before or after their prime doesn't mean much. When a fighter in his prime appears to be indestructable, ignorant people are gonna believe he's invincible even though they MIGHT have been beaten when they were very green, or very old. Also, Marciano lost 3 times? You mind explaining that one to me? Thanks in advance.

Anyway, I used to get extremely annoyed when I noticed this 'special treatment' for Foreman. He was outboxed by Young, outsmarted by Ali, and almost outslugged by Lyle. Even though these things are facts and show Foreman was beatable just like any other Boxer in history, people make excuses for these losses.

But I tell ya, that time seems to gone now though. Lots of things in these discussions have changed. Old great posters left and new ones took their place. I miss those good old days in this section. But that's a whole diffirent topic. Carry on.

[Jim Jeffries]

Nobody in invincible and if you believe a fighter is then you have some problems. But i dont see anybody here pretending Foreman was unbeatable. People do pretend Maricano is though even though he lost 3 times. People pretend Ali was invincible even though he probably lost more than 10 times if you add the fights he lost but got gift wins because of his skin color (not being black) People pretend Mike Tyson in his prime was unstoppable even though he was knocked out 5 timse in his career. People pretend Manny Pac is some type of invincible monster even though in his prime he was knocked out in 1 round and most of the people he fight are jokes.

Marciano lost 3 times?
Which Ali wins were gifts?
Pac fights jokes like Eric Morales X 3, Marco Antonio Barrerra X 2, Juan Manuel Marquez X 2, Jorge Solis, etc? Pac was never knocked out in one round and he was most certainly not in his prime the two times he was stopped at age 17 and age 20.

[Jim Jeffries]

It seems on this site that there are a great many people who, when you come right down to it, believe that the young George Foreman was deity. They seem to believe that he would easily crush any boxer in history, and the only reason I believe they don't say this even about Ali is because we all saw Ali beat him with our own eyes; and a far post-prime Ali at that.

So what fighters does everyone think would either beat or atleast put up a hard fight against Foreman?

So Ali was far past his prime at 32? Even though he would go on to have some of his biggest wins like avenging his losses to Joe Frazier and Ken Norton?

Foreman was not unbeatable against a slick boxer like Jimmy Young or an extremely intelligent one like Ali, but against a come forward slugger like Mike Tyson? Fuggedaboutit.

[res]

Foreman was not unbeatable against a slick boxer like Jimmy Young or an extremely intelligent one like Ali, but against a come forward slugger like Mike Tyson? Fuggedaboutit.

Hey, If you just think he could take out any particular fighter, like for example, Mike Tyson, that is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about not giving ground to any opponent, for example, people who even go so far as to make excuses for the Ali loss (Foreman was just tired). I'm talking about the Foreman is invincible philosophy.

Ofcourse Ali was past his prime then, post-exile Ali is past Ali's prime.


Edit: Oh by the way, all fighters don't fit neatly into a traditional preset collection of categories, even though people find matches easier to asses that way. Tyson was not actually a slugger, he was a pinpoint power puncher type...atleast in his prime. Once he started operating as a slugger he was shot.

[Sweet Peacock]

Nobody in invincible and if you believe a fighter is then you have some problems. But i dont see anybody here pretending Foreman was unbeatable. People do pretend Maricano is though even though he lost 3 times. People pretend Ali was invincible even though he probably lost more than 10 times if you add the fights he lost but got gift wins because of his skin color (not being black) People pretend Mike Tyson in his prime was unstoppable even though he was knocked out 5 timse in his career. People pretend Manny Pac is some type of invincible monster even though in his prime he was knocked out in 1 round and most of the people he fight are jokes.

I must say that you are one misguided individual. Marciano lost three times? in what fights did this occur? He has been positions where he would be lossing fights and then came back to score a knockout and brutal at that. He has never been given a gift decision in any fight. Hell, according to your logic John Tate beat Mike Weaver becuase he was winning the fight and was brutal knocked the hell out in the last round. Boxing doesn't work like that kid. A win is a win.

Pacquiao was hit with a low blow in early in his career and it was ruled a knockout. He was no where hurt from a head shot.



Sweet

[Sweet Peacock]

Hey, If you just think he could take out any particular fighter, like for example, Mike Tyson, that is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about not giving ground to any opponent, for example, people who even go so far as to make excuses for the Ali loss (Foreman was just tired). I'm talking about the Foreman is invincible philosophy.

Ofcourse Ali was past his prime then, post-exile Ali is past Ali's prime.


Edit: Oh by the way, all fighters don't fit neatly into a traditional preset collection of categories, even though people find matches easier to asses that way. Tyson was not actually a slugger, he was a pinpoint power puncher type...atleast in his prime. Once he started operating as a slugger he was shot.

Wow, Tyson are hero's to a lot of people on this forum, especialy when he has them believing that he would even come close to beating the worse possible style match up out there and a guy in which he was accused of ducking even in his elder years. Ali is a legend and you can never compare him to Tyson even when he as old. A different league of both talent and heart. Styles makes fights son. Ali is a masterful boxer and thinker at any age, Tyson is a come foward speed power slugger/Swarmer, a style that Foreman is known for eating up.


Sweet

[res]

Wow, Tyson are hero's to a lot of people on this forum, especialy when he has them believing that he would even come close to beating the worse possible style match up out there and a guy in which he was accused of ducking even in his elder years. Ali is a legend and you can never compare him to Tyson even when he as old. A different league of both talent and heart. Styles makes fights son. Ali is a masterful boxer and thinker at any age, Tyson is a come foward speed power slugger/Swarmer, a style that Foreman is known for eating up.


Sweet

I agree with you about Ali. Post-exile Ali would beat Tyson, and pre-exile Ali would beat him with even greater ease.

Styles make fights, but you have to get the styles down accurately first as i said in my last post. Foreman wins against Tyson, but only after he gets outclassed for a while by the much faster Tyson who will inevitably smell blood too early, thinking that he has hurt Foreman. At that point he throws caution to the wind as he always does in that type of situation, and eats it from Foreman. A speedy counterpuncher that hits hard is not a good style for the slow wild swinging Foreman, if you'll allow me to defy the conventional wisdom for a moment. Problem is, Tyson dosen't have the brains and heart to see the fight all the way through.