Who Hit Harder Marciano Or Tyson?

[Southpaw Stinger]

dude how do you know the gloves marciano used didnt have the same protection as the gloves tyson used?. They both used 10 ounce gloves.

Marciano used 8 ounce didn't he?

[Hawkins]

Marciano used 8 ounce didn't he?

You may be right. I'm not sure what year they instituted the 10 oz gloves, at one point I think they were only 6-8 oz. But up til a point they were all stuffed with horsehair.

[Southpaw Stinger]

You may be right. I'm not sure what year they instituted the 10 oz gloves, at one point I think they were only 6-8 oz. But up til a point they were all stuffed with horsehair.

They were still using horse hair in the 60's. You can see it from the stills of the Clay - Cooper fight when Cassius' glove tears.

[metalinmybrain]

Marciano had more soul power. The guy tapped into source power better than Tyson could ever hope to, let's keep it at that. Tyson was on for the few years that D'Amato was alive to babysit him, but what kind of man lets his life fall apart like Tyson did? Tyson was a real man in many ways when you see what a ***** most people are, but he's a screaming infant compared to the Rock.

Yeah, so that's just how it is. Tyson was more of a man than a lot of people out there who don't take any personal responsibility for themselves or do anything with their lives, but Marciano makes even Tyson look like a child.

So really I don't give a **** who hit harder, because Marciano was the stronger soul and better inspiration to the sport. Read up on the guy and you'll see that he had the goods.

But in a boxing match, who knows. Maybe Tyson had the physical gifts and build to hit harder, but not by much man. Marciano's power was legit, and if you think some extra muscle is going to neutralize it, you've never been hit by a skinny guy who can crack. Ask William Joppy if little chicken chest Trinidad can hit or not.

So many people on this forum work out and think their muscle mass can protect them in a fight but if someone can throw their weight into a punch, even if it's a girl, they can **** you up, end of story.

Ask yourselves this, if Tyson really hit as hard as his hardcore fans claim, why did he never kill anyone or end a career in the way that Marciano did with scary regulairty? Marciano was putting people into comas and ruining their careers with consistency. When Tyson knocked a guy out, it made for a brutal and exciting night but those guys usually continued on to do other things. With Marciano it was usually the end of your career. And he couldn't even hit you as often or as accurately as Tyson did.

If punch for punch, Tyson hit so much harder than Marciano, and he was hitting his opponents so hard and right on the button all the time, why was no one ever killed or seriously harmed? Don't give me that **** about the gloves either, because the padding actually makes a concussion even more likely over the course of a fight, and don't try to come at me with "oh, the guys Tyson fought were bigger and better conditioned". Don't make me laugh, I mean take a look at some of the skinny awkwardly built no hopers he pummeled early on. It's not like Tyson has been fighting Adonises who've all taken advantage of modern technology to be the best they can be.

Look at the viking he fought, Brian Nielson. You try to tell me that guy was a superior fighter or athlete to Walcott or Charles, and I'll laugh your ass off the internet.

There's really no way to tell who hit harder, but I believe their power is more comparable than anyone has guessed.

Please, any man would show tremendous power against a bunch of blown up old ass light heavyweights. How many first round knockouts does Marciano have by the way? Not including his one against a very old light heavyweight Joe Walcott.

Tyson at a very young age when your power is limited to most he muscled his way into the rankings than into the youngest heavyweight champion in the history of boxing. Marciano became a heavyweight when he was at the right age, already mature with his power. Had Tyson started around the same time as Marciano but with the mental status of what he had in the 80's Tyson would have been hitting twice as hard as he did. He was sending guys who weighed in at 10 to 15 to 20 to even 40 pounds heavier than him into the air with one punch. A left hook of Tyson would have sent any of Marciano opponents flying into the ropes for a KO are you insane pal? Every light heavyweight that Marciano gave a chance to either went the distance or got far enough.

Every light heavyweight, (excluding post prison Tyson) he did face went down early and brutally. In all comparison, we didn't get to see Rocky stay long enough for every one to witness his fall because he was smarter than that. There were no legit heavyweights that Rocky was knocking on and he may have very well been the only heavyweight champion or even contender of that era in the 50's.

Marciano is a brawler with limited defense movement and technique, Tyson is a brawler with incredible defense cut the ring down movement and one of the best techniques ever seen. Marciano would get crushed by Tyson as soon as the bell rings they would both meet up in the middle of the ring and Marciano would fold like a fat man on a lawn chair!

Anyone in their right mind would know that Tyson is a harder puncher. He was knocking down guys that were bigger than him and not only that they had age and skill, all at natural heavyweight size. Not to mention how much taller they were on the guy, Marciano would never get inside.

Tyson hits harder than Marciano and there is no such thing as soul power lol. Who in the hell comes up with those excuses? Mike Tyson is a much more powerful athlete get over it!

[metalinmybrain]

Marciano used 8 ounce didn't he?

Yes Marciano wore 8 ounce gloves who ever says otherwise is in complete denial.

[metalinmybrain]

Tyson lunged into his punches far more than Marciano did, Marciano while sometimes lunged into his, most of the time it was hip punches up close.

The reason Tyson doesn't "kill guys" is because of the gloves, Marciano used smaller leather gloves, Tyson Used Impact dulling larger gloves. Tyson frequently put guys to sleep with one punch, Marciano continuously pounded on his opponent's so when they dropped they were to exhausted to get up eventually.

Other fighter's of Marciano's time said he wasn't the hardest hitter. One boxer (forget his name) also said "Patterson" hit harder. For a comparison, from the words of Cus d' amato Tyson hit much harder than Patterson.

If it's one thing that described Marciano, It's over rated.

Archie Moore after his title fight with Patterson said Patterson hit just as hard as Marciano but was faster and more athletic. Said Patterson was just too much for him at his age! No matter how bad Moore wanted that title and how much he thought he could beat Patterson before they fought, in the end his honesty is what made him bigger in the eyes of others!

[metalinmybrain]

So then a 7 ' 320 lb Nikolay Valuev must hit a lot harder than Tyson right?

Not necessarily pal, where is this guys technique? His speed? His movement in general? All of these attributes came with Mike and it is what generated his power in general, you can be 220 pounds and not hit as hard as another 220 pounder, there are always reasons for that and that is what I am mentioning with technique speed movement etc. Valuev can only dream about having the power of Tyson, for his size he is a complete joke when it comes to raw power, get out of here.

[metalinmybrain]

your right, marciano was far more effective inside.

That is because his opponents let him sleep on their chest (it was allowed back then), with Tyson all of his opponents grab him and hold on for dear life. When he wasn't tied up a body shot upper cut left hook would do the job and it did it better than Marciano could ever do. Marciano's inside job wasn't that great if he had to finish it in the later rounds and against opposition you can only imagine that were decent!

[metalinmybrain]

Don't quote me on this but I think horsehair is a bit more dense than the stuffing they use now thus making them less padded. Could be wrong tho'.

With all due respect, I think it would be fare to say that including all the deaths of the earlier year fighting they would have changed the rules. There for padding the gloves perfectly for maximum protection and allowing more rules, rules that weren't of existence in Marciano's time. Rabbit punching elbows low blows, all of the things Marciano was consistent with!

[metalinmybrain]

Don't quote me on this but I think horsehair is a bit more dense than the stuffing they use now thus making them less padded. Could be wrong tho'.

With all due respect, I think it would be fare to say that including all the deaths of the earlier year fighting they would have changed the rules. There for padding the gloves perfectly for maximum protection and allowing more rules, rules that weren't of existence in Marciano's time. Rabbit punching elbows low blows, all of the things Marciano was consistent with!