Top 10 Heavies from best to worst

[The Iron Man]

McVey! werent he like 150lbs and fought middle weights!

Im liking this fight Evander Holyfield Vs Earnie Shavers

The Biggest puncher vs one of the best chins!

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McVey! werent he like 150lbs and fought middle weights!

Im liking this fight Evander Holyfield Vs Earnie Shavers

The Biggest puncher vs one of the best chins!

No McVey was the original Mike Tyson pretty much the same weight and build. He is in my avatar now.

I can't wait for the results I'm all excited like a big fight is about to start.

P.S. Me and Hawkins are in the process of sorting out a consensus and we've picked you as one of the honoury voters if your up for it.

There are a select few who all have different opinions but all knowledgable on all the eras not just the modern fighters.

[The Iron Man]

Sure man count me in!!

[StarshipTrooper]

I actually ran the tournament on both Title Bout II and Data Boxing. Here are the results of the first run:

Title Bout II

1st Round

Muhammad Ali UD15 Oliver McCall
Joe Louis TKO13 George Chuvalo
Jack Johnson UD15 Jimmy Ellis
Jack Dempsey TKO2 Ken Norton
Sonny Liston TKO12 Jack Sharkey
Rocky Marciano TKO3 Vitali Klitschko
Larry Holmes UD15 John L Sullivan
Evander Holyfield TKO4 Earnie Shavers
George Foreman TKO7 Floyd Patterson
Joe Frazier TKO4 Billy Miske
Sam McVey TKO12 Mike Tyson (Upset)
James Corbett TKO8 Harry Wills (Upset)
Lennox Lewis TKO4 Max Schmeling
Peter Jackson TKO11 James Jeffries
George Godfrey SD15 Joe Jeannette
Joe Walcott TechUD9 Rid**** Bowe (Upset)

2nd Round

Muhammad Ali UD15 Joe Louis
Jack Johnson SD15 Jack Dempsey
Rocky Marciano TKO5 Sonny Liston (Upset)
Evander Holyfield TKO13 Larry Holmes (Upset)
George Foreman TKO1 Joe Frazier
Sam McVey KO5 James Corbett
Peter Jackson TKO14 Lennox Lewis (Upset)
Joe Walcott TKO2 George Godfrey (Upset)

Quarterfinal

Jack Johnson TKO7 Muhammad Ali (Upset)
Rocky Marciano TKO6 Evander Holyfield
George Foreman TKO13 Sam McVey
Peter Jackson KO6 Joe Walcott

Semifinal

Jack Johnson UD15 Rocky Marciano
Peter Jackson TKO9 George Foreman (Upset)

Final

Jack Johnson SD15 Peter Jackson


Data Boxing

1st Round

Muhammad Ali KO14 Oliver McCall
Joe Louis UD15 George Chuvalo
Jack Johnson UD15 Jimmy Ellis
Ken Norton KO3 Jack Dempsey (Upset From Hell)
Sonny Liston KO7 Jack Sharkey
Rocky Marciano UD15 Vitali Klitschko
Larry Holmes UD15 John L. Sullivan
Earnie Shavers KO2 Evander Holyfield (Upset)
George Foreman TKO5 Floyd Patterson
Joe Frazier TKO11 Billy Miske
Mike Tyson KO6 Sam McVey
Harry Wills UD15 Jim Corbett
Lennox Lewis TKO8 Max Schmeling
Jim Jeffries UD15 Peter Jackson (Upset)
Joe Jeanette UD15 George Godfrey (Upset)
Rid**** Bowe KO2 Jersey Joe Walcot

2nd Round

Muhammad Ali MD15 Rid**** Bowe
Joe Louis UD15 Joe Jeanette
Jack Johnson UD15 Jim Jeffries
Lennox Lewis UD15 Ken Norton
Harry Wills UD15 Sonny Liston (Upset)
Rocky Marciano UD15 Mike Tyson
Joe Frazier UD15 Larry Holmes (Upset)
Earnie Shavers TKO2 George Foreman (Upset)

Quarterfinal

Muhammad Ali KO10 Earnie Shavers
Joe Frazier UD15 Joe Louis (Upset)
Jack Johnson TKO11 Rocky Marciano
Lennox Lewis UD15 Harry Wills

Semifinal

Muhammad Ali UD15 Lennox Lewis
Jack Johnson TKO8 Joe Frazier

Final

Muhammad Ali KO3 Jack Johnson

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I actually ran the tournament on both Title Bout II and Data Boxing. Here are the results of the first run:

Title Bout II

1st Round

Muhammad Ali UD15 Oliver McCall
Joe Louis TKO13 George Chuvalo
Jack Johnson UD15 Jimmy Ellis
Jack Dempsey TKO2 Ken Norton
Sonny Liston TKO12 Jack Sharkey
Rocky Marciano TKO3 Vitali Klitschko
Larry Holmes UD15 John L Sullivan
Evander Holyfield TKO4 Earnie Shavers
George Foreman TKO7 Floyd Patterson
Joe Frazier TKO4 Billy Miske
Sam McVey TKO12 Mike Tyson (Upset)
James Corbett TKO8 Harry Wills (Upset)
Lennox Lewis TKO4 Max Schmeling
Peter Jackson TKO11 James Jeffries
George Godfrey SD15 Joe Jeannette
Joe Walcott TechUD9 Rid**** Bowe (Upset)

2nd Round

Muhammad Ali UD15 Joe Louis
Jack Johnson SD15 Jack Dempsey
Rocky Marciano TKO5 Sonny Liston (Upset)
Evander Holyfield TKO13 Larry Holmes (Upset)
George Foreman TKO1 Joe Frazier
Sam McVey KO5 James Corbett
Peter Jackson TKO14 Lennox Lewis (Upset)
Joe Walcott TKO2 George Godfrey (Upset)

Quarterfinal

Jack Johnson TKO7 Muhammad Ali (Upset)
Rocky Marciano TKO6 Evander Holyfield
George Foreman TKO13 Sam McVey
Peter Jackson KO6 Joe Walcott

Semifinal

Jack Johnson UD15 Rocky Marciano
Peter Jackson TKO9 George Foreman (Upset)

Final

Jack Johnson SD15 Peter Jackson


Data Boxing

1st Round

Muhammad Ali KO14 Oliver McCall
Joe Louis UD15 George Chuvalo
Jack Johnson UD15 Jimmy Ellis
Ken Norton KO3 Jack Dempsey (Upset From Hell)
Sonny Liston KO7 Jack Sharkey
Rocky Marciano UD15 Vitali Klitschko
Larry Holmes UD15 John L. Sullivan
Earnie Shavers KO2 Evander Holyfield (Upset)
George Foreman TKO5 Floyd Patterson
Joe Frazier TKO11 Billy Miske
Mike Tyson KO6 Sam McVey
Harry Wills UD15 Jim Corbett
Lennox Lewis TKO8 Max Schmeling
Jim Jeffries UD15 Peter Jackson (Upset)
Joe Jeanette UD15 George Godfrey (Upset)
Rid**** Bowe KO2 Jersey Joe Walcot

2nd Round

Muhammad Ali MD15 Rid**** Bowe
Joe Louis UD15 Joe Jeanette
Jack Johnson UD15 Jim Jeffries
Lennox Lewis UD15 Ken Norton
Harry Wills UD15 Sonny Liston (Upset)
Rocky Marciano UD15 Mike Tyson
Joe Frazier UD15 Larry Holmes (Upset)
Earnie Shavers TKO2 George Foreman (Upset)

Quarterfinal

Muhammad Ali KO10 Earnie Shavers
Joe Frazier UD15 Joe Louis (Upset)
Jack Johnson TKO11 Rocky Marciano
Lennox Lewis UD15 Harry Wills

Semifinal

Muhammad Ali UD15 Lennox Lewis
Jack Johnson TKO8 Joe Frazier

Final

Muhammad Ali KO3 Jack Johnson

You say the results of the first run, how many times did you run it and how many different winners were there.

Very interesting.
I did like the look of that Tyson vs McVey matchup beforehand and both title bout and data boxing could be right on that outcome.

Very similar fighters and it's either Tyson early or McVey late.
From what I've read of McVey I like the sound of him. Fought many great fighters lots of times and beat them all with the exception of Jack Johnson who just had his number.

But he won the coloured heavyweight title twice and had he been given a shot at the championship could surely have won it.
A fine physical specimen built like Tyson but more ripped and very thick set face and intimidating especially in looks. He looked scarier than Liston and Tyson IMO.

So Jack Johnson gets to both finals.
The big surprise was Peter Jackson stopping Lennox Lewis. I think Lewis would have stopped him early, however he was extremely tough and had more stamina than Lewis so it's quite concievable he could have stopped him in the 14th round. Especially as Lennox never fought past 12 rounds and Jackson technically drew with Corbett in 61 rounds and tko'd Godfrey in 19 to win the coloured heavyweight title.

There is certainly a lot to discuss on these fights and I'll give others a chance so everyone gets a mention.

Poet Thanks and I'm gonna get myself that program.

[StarshipTrooper]

Hi Hurricane!

That was one run, I'll be running it the second time today. I'm really fond of those early black fighters like McVey and Jackson ect. They're so often overlooked! A note on the 61 rounds. They weren't 3 minute rounds. Under the old London Prizefighting Rules that were used back then a round ended when a fighter was knocked down or made contact with the ropes. So a round could be 10 minutes long.....or 10 seconds long.

Poet

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Hi Hurricane!

That was one run, I'll be running it the second time today. I'm really fond of those early black fighters like McVey and Jackson ect. They're so often overlooked! A note on the 61 rounds. They weren't 3 minute rounds. Under the old London Prizefighting Rules that were used back then a round ended when a fighter was knocked down or made contact with the ropes. So a round could be 10 minutes long.....or 10 seconds long.

Poet

I weren't sure if it was full rounds or not.
But the expression Toeing the line comes from old time boxing, like you said the round ended when someone got dropped and they had to be able to put their toes on the white line in the corner in order to continue the next round.

[The Iron Man]

Nice poet thanks, although i disagree with some outcomes..ill put them here :

Rocky Marciano TKO3 Vitali Klitschko
Sam McVey TKO12 Mike Tyson
Joe Walcott TechUD9 Rid**** Bowe
Rocky Marciano TKO5 Sonny Liston
Evander Holyfield TKO13 Larry Holmes
Peter Jackson TKO14 Lennox Lewis
Jack Johnson TKO7 Muhammad Ali
Peter Jackson TKO9 George Foreman
Rocky Marciano UD15 Mike Tyson
Joe Frazier UD15 Larry Holmes
Joe Frazier UD15 Joe Louis

[Hawkins]

wow, Peter Jackson had some genuinely tough opponents and pulled it off. Especially the TKOs of Lewis and Foreman.

[StarshipTrooper]

Nice poet thanks, although i disagree with some outcomes..ill put them here :

Rocky Marciano TKO3 Vitali Klitschko
Sam McVey TKO12 Mike Tyson
Joe Walcott TechUD9 Rid**** Bowe
Rocky Marciano TKO5 Sonny Liston
Evander Holyfield TKO13 Larry Holmes
Peter Jackson TKO14 Lennox Lewis
Jack Johnson TKO7 Muhammad Ali
Peter Jackson TKO9 George Foreman
Rocky Marciano UD15 Mike Tyson
Joe Frazier UD15 Larry Holmes
Joe Frazier UD15 Joe Louis

In every batch you'll have some goofy outcomes. Just random chance at work. Data Boxing is VERY fond of Ken Norton LOL!

Poet