Top 10 Heavies from best to worst

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How about Heavyweight Champions with the weakest chins who has everyone got.

[LondonRingRules]

How about Heavyweight Champions with the weakest chins who has everyone got.

** Jack Johnson, NeonLeon. Nobody else even close.

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** Jack Johnson, NeonLeon. Nobody else even close.

Herbie Hide and Michael Bent run Spinks very close.

[TheGreatA]

Worst chin's:
Tommy Morrison (KO'd by Bentt 1st round), Michael Bentt (ko'd by Hide) and Herbie Hide (KO'd by Vitali 1st round).

Johnson and Neon Leon were more solid. Johnson was rocked & knocked down easily but had good survival skills because of his clinching and Leon Spinks' chin was decent but his skills weren't.

Joe Louis could be knocked down but he was calm and knew how to survive after being stunned.

Ken Norton folded against big punchers but if you couldn't hurt him he would walk through everything. So he had a good chin (watch fights against Holmes&Ali) but he couldn't take a big punch from Shavers & Foreman. His style was to walk forward and if he could take your best shot you were in trouble.

Patterson was knocked down more times than any other champion but got up more times than any other too. He was more under-sized than glass-jawed.

Wladimir has been stopped 3 times by lesser skilled fighters and he has been knocked down plenty of times. His chin isn't that bad but for his size he can't take a punch that well. It's more because of his stamina problems though.

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Worst chin's:
Tommy Morrison (KO'd by Bentt 1st round), Michael Bentt (ko'd by Hide) and Herbie Hide (KO'd by Vitali 1st round).

Johnson and Neon Leon were more solid. Johnson was rocked & knocked down easily but had good survival skills because of his clinching and Leon Spinks' chin was decent but his skills weren't.

Joe Louis could be knocked down but he was calm and knew how to survive after being stunned.

Ken Norton folded against big punchers but if you couldn't hurt him he would walk through everything. So he had a good chin (watch fights against Holmes&Ali) but he couldn't take a big punch from Shavers & Foreman. His style was to walk forward and if he could take your best shot you were in trouble.

Patterson was knocked down more times than any other champion but got up more times than any other too. He was more under-sized than glass-jawed.

Wladimir has been stopped 3 times by lesser skilled fighters and he has been knocked down plenty of times. His chin isn't that bad but for his size he can't take a punch that well. It's more because of his stamina problems though.

Some good assesments there mate. What's your Top 10 Heavyweights in history and what do you base it on.

[TheGreatA]

I don't really have a list made but I'll go with this.

1. Ali
2. Louis
3,4,5 (not sure how to rank right now): Holmes, Lewis, Johnson
6,7,8,9,10: Frazier, Foreman, Liston, Marciano, Holyfield
11,12,13,14,15: Tyson, Dempsey, Patterson, Charles, Norton

I might make a better list later. Based on longevity, the championship reign, opposition defeated, opposition lost to.

To me Jack Johnson established himself as the best man in the early 1900's and I don't rate the other heavyweights of that era too highly (partly because I don't know that much about them and no one can because there isn't any footage).
I do know that Johnson didn't fight many of them at their best but that's hand-picking for you.

Norton is there because of his win over Ali and the close losses to Ali, also his solid wins in that era over Quarry and Young. He could be dropped because of his brutal losses though.

You can see I don't rate Tyson very highly and that's because of the longevity/opposition defeated. I don't rate potential/impact to the sport/way of defeating opposition as highly as others might.

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I don't really have a list made but I'll go with this.

1. Ali
2. Louis
3,4,5 (not sure how to rank right now): Holmes, Lewis, Johnson
6,7,8,9,10: Frazier, Foreman, Liston, Marciano, Holyfield
11,12,13,14,15: Tyson, Dempsey, Patterson, Charles, Norton

I might make a better list later. Based on longevity, the championship reign, opposition defeated, opposition lost to.

To me Jack Johnson established himself as the best man in the early 1900's and I don't rate the other heavyweights of that era too highly (partly because I don't know that much about them and no one can because there isn't any footage).
I do know that Johnson didn't fight many of them at their best but that's hand-picking for you.

There were some great black fighters back then such as Harry Wills and Sam McVey the equivalent of Mike Tyson. Johnson beat McVey 3 times I think but quite a bit before his prime. Can't remember if he fought Wills or not I'll have to check it out. But your right it's so difficult because it was completely different game back then so much has changed and also we don't have much footage and what we do have is hard to guage because of the quality and speed.

[TheGreatA]

Jack Johnson beat McVea (pre-prime), Langford (not at his best), old Fitzsimmons, Fireman Flynn, Tommy Burns, Ketchel (lol), J. Jeffries (past-prime) among others.

Like I said his opponents weren't at their best but he has the most solid record of his time and a long title reign. He gave hell to Willard until he finally lost in the 26th round after a valiant effort past his best.

From what I've seen of him he looked like a good boxer too unlike many others of that era who seemed more like wild brawlers than boxers.

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Jack Johnson beat McVea (pre-prime), Langford (not at his best), old Fitzsimmons, Fireman Flynn, Tommy Burns, Ketchel (lol), J. Jeffries (past-prime) among others.

Like I said his opponents weren't at their best but he has the most solid record of his time and a long title reign. He gave hell to Willard until he finally lost in the 26th round after a valiant effort past his best.

From what I've seen of him he looked like a good boxer too unlike many others of that era who seemed more like wild brawlers than boxers.

He certainly had a very unique style the way he caught the punches in mid air. He had the reflexes of a cat and was by far the best of his time.

I'd love to have seen him against Dempsey that would be classic boxer versus fighter and a very interesting fight. I'd love to see him in todays era as well. He fascinates me and I'm just about to start reading the book about him Unforgivable Blackness.

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1-Holmes
2-Louis
3-Ali
4-Lewis
5-Johnson
6-Liston
7-Frazier
8-Foreman
9-Evander
10-Marciano

I didn't go into this with a pre-given criteria. I don't usually do lists as they are unwieldy and subjective. If you go in with certain criteria your list is then practically already in place and you just throw the names down based on that.

I just thought about the best heavyweights, they came ot my mind and I then put them in order and see what criteria arises from the actual names as they appear.

1- Larry Holmes. Best all round heavyweight I've seen. Jab, right hand, uppercut, movement, smarts, chin and a huge heart. Fought in an era where there not many great fighters so fought an aged great one and stopped him. Ali was finished but not any fighter could stop him.

2- Louis. The most supreme puncher and finisher I've ever seen. Underrated footwork also. Always in range to get shots off when needed. Decent chin. Fought a lot of very good names and dominated his time. Would be a monster under modern conditions.

3- Ali. Very good fighter. Underrated left hook. Good punching combinatinos. Tough. Fought the best fighters possible and beat them a lot. Including a few names on this list.

4- Lewis. A good mix between Holmes and Louis. Good boxer and great finished when needed. Blasted out with two monster shots but his own worst enemy. When 'on' very hard to beat. Beat the best of his era including a name on the list.

5- Johnson. A genius. True genius who changed boxing and its style a lot in terms of defence and spoiling. In the list as an innovator and the geuine genius on the list.

6- Liston. A monster. Fighting machine as a contender (great finishes against Wiliams) and should have been a Champion long before. Great title wins over Patterson and unlucky to meet a Top Three guy in Ali when Liston was in the downturn.

7- Frazier. Another fighting machine. Decent chin. Underrated style and you need a very specific style to beat him. Foreman, Lennox and Holmes have it in particular. Beat Ali. Ali fought a good fight. Frazier was just better that first night. Only guy in my list with a win over a relatively fresh Top Three guy.

8- Foreman. Underrated. Dethroned a fellow great in spectacular fashion. Beat a good level of competition. Adapted to age and circumstance to have a second stab at things. Excellent chin. Solid power and underrated footwork, again always on hand to land the shots. Tactically inept as a younger fighter.

9- Evander. Agelss warrior. Wonderful wins. Great heart. Definitely more thna the sum of his parts and had some great achivements. Beat a near-great in Bowe, a potential Top Four guy.

10- Marciano. Underrated heart breaker fighter. Great win over Walcott who also fought one of his best fights possible at that age. Dominated his division. Impeccable record and left few blemishes to mar it. Win over Louis was spectacular even given Louis' age.

For my sins that is my list.