Top 10 Heavies from best to worst

[The Iron Man]

#1 Muhammad Ali
#2 Mike Tyson
#3 Joe Louis
#4 Rocky Marciano
#5 Larry Holmes
#6 Lennox Lewis
#7 George Foreman
#8 Jack Johnson
#9 Sonny Liston
#10 Jack Dempsey

WHAT!?! Mike Tyson #2!?!

You're God Damn Right

Nice List, Although i wouldnt have Liston in my top 10, id put Holyfield their. I believe tyson should be placed high aswell. Have u checked out my list on page 32 took me a while to compile went into alot of detail aswell.. id like to hear wot u thought?

[QuCongee]

Ok Here we go...The Much Awaited List.. the Self Proclaimed "Greatest List" of this Forum. Its taken almost a month. Here is my old list

10.Lennox Lewis
9.Jack Johnson
8.Jack Dempsey
7.Larry Holmes
6.Joe Frazier
5.George Foreman
4.Mike Tyson
3.Rocky Marciano
2.Muhammad Ali
1.Joe Louis

Hmm. I'd have Lewis above Johnson and dempsey, and I'd switch Holmes and foreman. #6 is also a little generous for Frazier. If my list went past 10 spots, he'd probably be #11. Also, Louis above Ali? That's tough to justify in my book, but a lot of people do put him at #1

12. Sonny Liston

11."Big" George Foreman

10. Rocky "The Brockton Blockbuster" Marciano

9.Jack "Manassa Mauler" Dempsey

8.Jack "Galveston Giant" Johnson

7."Smokin" Joe Frazier

6.Lennox "The Lion" Lewis

5.Evander "The Real Deal" Holyfield

4."Iron" Mike Tyson

3.Larry "The Easton Assassin" Holmes

2.Joe "The Brown Bomber"Louis

1.Muhammed "The Greatest" Ali

So theres the List..if you have any questions please ask..and so on and so forth..Hope people respect it as ive have spent a good amount of time on it!!

Now this list is much much better. The only issue for me is the low rank of marciano compared with the high rank of Holyfield.

Overall though, hard to find real faults.

[-CANE-]

#1 Muhammad Ali
#2 Mike Tyson
#3 Joe Louis
#4 Rocky Marciano
#5 Larry Holmes
#6 Lennox Lewis
#7 George Foreman
#8 Jack Johnson
#9 Sonny Liston
#10 Jack Dempsey

WHAT!?! Mike Tyson #2!?!

You're God Damn Right

What Tyson at no.2? (Only Joking)
Like Brass said it's pretty much the same as most people's lists except slightly different order. Would also like to hear your thoughts on mine and Iron Mans list. We both put a lot of time into our lists and are nearly the same. Although again different order slightly. Iron Man has gone some criteria that I haven't like rating them on ability in certain areas. ie speed, power etc. This is very subjective and I never included this on my list, but will try adding it on mine to see if the outcome changes any. Also on defenses made I think Iron Man (Correct me if I'm wrong on this Iron) only included longest amount of defenses made at one particular time, not all their total defenses, which I did. The only subjective criteria in mine was Impact they made and quality of opposition. Taking this into account it probably explains why I had Lewis 3rd and Tyson tied with Holyfield in 5th and 6th, and Iron Man had them the other way round.

[QuCongee]

What Tyson at no.2? (Only Joking)
Like Brass said it's pretty much the same as most people's lists except slightly different order. Would also like to hear your thoughts on mine and Iron Mans list. We both put a lot of time into our lists and are nearly the same. Although again different order slightly. Iron Man has gone some criteria that I haven't like rating them on ability in certain areas. ie speed, power etc. This is very subjective and I never included this on my list, but will try adding it on mine to see if the outcome changes any. Also on defenses made I think Iron Man (Correct me if I'm wrong on this Iron) only included longest amount of defenses made at one particular time, not all their total defenses, which I did. The only subjective criteria in mine was Impact they made and quality of opposition. Taking this into account it probably explains why I had Lewis 3rd and Tyson tied with Holyfield in 5th and 6th, and Iron Man had them the other way round.

Well you can find my comments on Iron's above your post. I personally take into account, accomplishments and "who beats who".

First the accomplishments, and then the numbers shift around a little when I consider how well #4 would do against #8, ect.

What page is your list on?

[-CANE-]

Well you can find my comments on Iron's above your post. I personally take into account, accomplishments and "who beats who".

First the accomplishments, and then the numbers shift around a little when I consider how well #4 would do against #8, ect.

What page is your list on?

Sorry never saw that part, trying to do several things at once at the moment. And as I'm a bloke multi tasking isn't my strong point.

First of all I never included who beat who, as I think Lennox could beat the lot of them and wanted to be fair as possible and not biased.

Page 18 Article #178 Gives my original list and the new updated one.
Page 19 Article #181 Shows criteria used and exactly how I scored the fighters.

Think you'll find it interesting even if you don't quite agree with it.
But the factual criteria cannot be argued with as these are facts, and the subjective I have tried to be fair as possible. For instance Lewis scored the lowest score possible on impact for obvious reasons.
Anyway I'll stop rambling and let you have a look. Look forward to hearing your thought's.

[StarshipTrooper]

Well, so far nearly everybody has had pretty much the same 10 guys, just in different order. The real fun part is determining what takes some guys like from 9th on one list to 3rd on others. Personal preference? Head-to head matchups? Really, those are both categories that say a lot less about the true placement of the champion. Especially since it's actually impossible to accurately determine what would happen if Joe Louis fought George Foreman, or Lennox Lewis fought Joe Frazier, or Mike Tyson fought Jack Dempsey, etc.

I have to ask you QuCongee, why is Tyson your #2? I also agree with your lower placement of Sonny Liston and George Foreman, who really didn't do anything as champion.

Well that's the thing isn't it? This is all an exercise in specualtion. There's no scientific way any of this can be tested empirically. I got into a brawl over this on another forum where someone claimed his views were based on FACT while I maintained they were just speculation like eveyoned else's. Who knows? Maybe Jack Root beats everyone on list. I SERIOUSLY doubt it but it's no more or less invalid then any other speculative theory. They can all be argued to be sure, but in the end none of us actually knows.

Poet

[The Iron Man]

Cheers QuCongee, i think that the list is pretty reliable, it was gone overby me a poet who has some different views to me. Also we decided to remove certain categories like Undisputed champion because it was unfair for certain boxers!

[Double]

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Jack Johnson
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Larry Holmes
6. George Foreman
7. Rocky Marciano
8. Evander Holyfield
9. Joe Frazier
10. Mike Tyson

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1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Jack Johnson
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Larry Holmes
6. George Foreman
7. Rocky Marciano
8. Evander Holyfield
9. Joe Frazier
10. Mike Tyson

Very interesting. That's the highest I can remember seeing Jack Johnson. Jack Johnson is one of my favourite ever fighters, he had the reflexes of a cat and his style was completely unique. I loved the way he would try and swat the punches away. I wonder how he would do against recent fighters with that style, would it be succesful or not.

Another thing I found interesting was your placement of Tyson. Seen as how you have a picture of him in your avatar I take it you are a fan of his and you admire his style of fighting, yet still only rank him at no.10.

While I like fighters with Tyson's style I still say a great boxer nearly always beats a great fighter. And your top five are probably the greatest boxers ever in the heavyweight division, yet they could all still pack a hell of a punch.

All in all a really good list. Not too disimilar from mine.

[Double]

Very interesting. That's the highest I can remember seeing Jack Johnson. Jack Johnson is one of my favourite ever fighters, he had the reflexes of a cat and his style was completely unique. I loved the way he would try and swat the punches away. I wonder how he would do against recent fighters with that style, would it be succesful or not.

Another thing I found interesting was your placement of Tyson. Seen as how you have a picture of him in your avatar I take it you are a fan of his and you admire his style of fighting, yet still only rank him at no.10.

While I like fighters with Tyson's style I still say a great boxer nearly always beats a great fighter. And your top five are probably the greatest boxers ever in the heavyweight division, yet they could all still pack a hell of a punch.

All in all a really good list. Not too disimilar from mine.

I have Johnson so high becuse 1. he had to wait so long to get a shot and 2. after he lost the powers that be were never going to give him a chance to reclaim his title. As a matter of fact Joe Louis was the next black man to get a shot at the title some 20 years later. I struggled with putting Tyson in my top ten, not really a big fan but being the youngest ever carries a lot of weight. I like the avatar because tyson is dipping a cookie in milk, kind of symbolic of his life, a child trapped in a grown man's body.