Top 10 Heavies from best to worst

[DarkTerror88]

A very inserting and unique list. I've seen many lists but never one like this. Nice creativity there. How long have you been watching boxing?

Well the first fight I've ever seen was at cookout when i was just shy of three and watched Foreman KO Moorer for the title. Ever since then i fell in love with the sport, watching classics and live fights when i could. I started boxing at 8 and began amateur fights in 8th grade. Right now im19-0 (17KOs) and plan on turning pro after 30 fights or i win a golden gloves trophy.

a lot of folks are shocked that i have Jeffries in there and that i have smokin joe so high.

When whites where kings of the world, Jeffries was the kings of the white, and the fact that he put up the effort he did against johnson, considering he was passed his prime, lost about 100 pounds and still performed well, amazed me.

And to Characterize Frazier by his losses to foreman and his loss to Ali. I think Frazier only REALLY lost to Ali once because The fight was canceled by Futch right as Angelo Dundee was walking up to the ref to stop the fight himself, i consider it a draw. but to characterize him by his defeats is ridiculous, you compare fighters by looking at there best days, i think the Frazier from FOTC might have been able to push Foreman to a decision. Foreman would still have won, but it would not have been as easy as it was.

[prinzemanspopa]

fighters are credited with draws in fights they lost decisively now,apparently.Nevermind quitting on your stool and being well behind on the scorecards at the time of the retirement.



The frazier from FOTC was in there with a light hitting fighter who had fought just eighteen rounds in four years.And even then he was losing until his opponents legs gave in.


Certainly not comparable to a heavyweight puncher,the kind that frazier spent his entire career avoiding.



frazier doesn't belong in any top five list unless it's a top five ranking based on weak chins or cherry pickers

[Panthershock]

Terrible list. Delete your name please. Put any of those guys but Lewis in the ring with Vitali and they dont leave the ring alive. Ali, Ali was undefeated before the 3 year layoff because he fought bums and rigged fights. You really count Sonny Liston 2 as a win for Ali? Ok....Ali barely tapped Liston and hes out for a 10 count...ok....Also Sonny Liston 1 was even on the cards before Liston pulled out. Also Ali benefitted from the fact that Frazier and Norton gave him rematches. Something Lewis didnt do for Vitali, even though Vitali had 12 days notice before the fight. Oh and something Ali wouldnt do for Foreman.

Any list without Wlad and Vitali on it is pure trash. Vitalis never been down, that prime Ali got knocked down by Light heavies. And as for Marciano? You on drugs?

You know nothing about boxing, nothing, and you clearly have no appreciation of the sport. You also didnt read my disclaimer that said this is not a who beats who list. I like Vitali and Wlad, and I do think they pose problems for many on the list, especially the smaller guys. However they have fought in a era full of garbage fighters. The biggest accomplishment between the two of them is Vitali leading Lewis on points before a cut stopped the fight. Ali was so much faster than either of them and actually could put punches together. Here's some proof:
"In the May 5, 1969 Sports Illustrated, Ali’s jab was measured with an omegascope. Ali’s jab, it was found, could smash a balsa board 16.5 inches away in 19/100 of a second. It actually covered the distance in 4/100 of a second, which is the blink of an eye. Jimmy Jacobs, who owned the world’s largest collection of fight films, said that on film tests with a synchronizer Ali’s jab was faster than that of Sugar Ray Robinson."

Go on youtube, you can watch a ton of fights for free and you might learn something about the history of boxing by reading a bit.

[DarkTerror88]

fighters are credited with draws in fights they lost decisively now,apparently.Nevermind quitting on your stool and being well behind on the scorecards at the time of the retirement.



The frazier from FOTC was in there with a light hitting fighter who had fought just eighteen rounds in four years.And even then he was losing until his opponents legs gave in.


Certainly not comparable to a heavyweight puncher,the kind that frazier spent his entire career avoiding.

frazier doesn't belong in any top five list unless it's a top five ranking based on weak chins or cherry pickers

First of all its my opinion of who i put in my list. Ive been boxing since i was very young, I've been sparring since 8th grade and fighting since 9th, i know what to look for in a fighter. I don't need a troll to tell me how to form my opinion of fighters.

[Megamasterking]

OK so ill start with my top 10 ATG HW

Muhammad Ali : Why ? Because i think that with his great speed "punch = 1/2 M.V? M =Mass and V=speed" he had the best tool that is needed in boxing. He also had a great chin, the best footwork of the HW, he was mean, he was smart, 6' 3" about 215, for me hes the most perfect HW boxer.

Jos Louis : Power, like a *******, nobody wants to be hit by that man. I knew who he was and the older trainers told me how good he was but i made my opinion on watching some films of his fights. I was very impressed by him.

Larry Holmes : For his jab ! A dangerous fighter, underrated, maybe because he started boxing late or because he was compared to Ali.

Rocky Marciano : For me, hes not a small man, why ? If Marciano is losing the fight for whatever reason, he will find you and KO you with one punch, no matter how big, how fast or how smart you are. Now, how he does it, i dont know but he was good enough to leave undefeated. His will to win is the best of the HW division.

George Foreman : A very, very strong man, made a comeback and with his strengh was able to win fights againts much younger opponents. The average boxer just cant do that, in fact, who can ? Big George can...

Joe Frazier : You want to know what a great left hook is ? Watch that man and learn. Frazier was always there in your face.

Jack Dempsey : A Legend, power and speed, you will suffer, i say dont fight this guy he will hurt you and after that he will hurt you even more. He is respected for a reason, he was the best of his time.

Jack Johnson : He had to prove to the world that a black man could be WC, thats what i call pressure ! He did more than that, he became a Legend ! Who could do that, ask yourself that question...

Sonny Liston : Some boxers, are strong, some are scary, he was both. Could kill a man with one punch. Had personal problems that didnt help his career, but that doesnt take away the fact that he was a great and feared HW champion.

Mike Tyson : What ? Dont panic, for the people like me who saw him from the beginning of his career, in his prime, when he was serious about boxing, that young Tyson was so good that you could actually see the fear in the eyes of his victims who were falling like flies on the floor.

[TheMagicMan]

NASA style

10) James Jeffries- Was undefeated until he came out of retirement, Lost a LOT of weight, and suffered his only defeat at the loss of Jack Johnson. He was a very large man with a good jab and right hand. He was slightly lacking in the speed area though.

9) Larry Holmes- Holmes, in my opinion, is VERY underrated because he followed one of the greatest champions of all time. He had a excellent jab as well. The best Pure jab out of heavyweights. I think that The speed of Ali's Jab and the set up ability of Joe Louis' jab were more useful, if Holmes stuck behind that jab and didn't through that right uppercut, he would of outpointed Tyson. I have him at nine because he just missed the best competition in the prime aside from Kenny Norton.

8) Rocky Marciano- 49-0 says it all. I say that people complaining about his lack of competition could make the same noise for Tyson. Unlike Tyson, Marciano fought Jersey Joe Walcott, an incredible fighter himself, and the steel chinned Ezzard Charles, two underrated heavyweights, for the same reason as Holmes. Both of these men would do well in any era, but Marciano heart. chin and strength led him to victories in his most hard fought battles. The greatest conditioned fighter of all time without a doubt. Anyone who runs 5 miles every day of the year, 10-15 when training, and hits a 300lb heavy bag, is obsessed with fitness. And his obsession served him well.

7) Charles "Sonny" Liston- Another underrated fighter who had many great weapons. In his prime, Liston was able to take incredibly strong punched without blinking, not be backed up and hit like a sledgehammer. To compliment his dynamite hooks and uppercuts, he had a jackhammer jab and would be able to beat most of the heavyweights in history without much trouble.

6) Jack Dempsey- A fearsome man in the ring, Dempsey would try to tear your head off at the opening bell, he had one of the greatest left hooks in history and could pummel you for a few rounds without having to stop, except for the bell of course. Anyone who discredits Dempsey's power, look to his first fight with Jess Willard, i hurt watching it. With ample speed and a good chin, Dempsey could also hold his own in any era.

5) Joe Frazier- Some people might wonder how i rank Smokin' Joe so high. Many say his credibility is lost due to his fights with George Foreman, but let me point out some things about his fights with Foreman. He was never Knocked out, the ref stopped the fight. Big George himself said "You can't Knockout Joe Frazier, he'd die before he let you knock him out." Joe also was past his prime when he fought George Foreman, his peak ending after the 1971 fight with Muhammad Ali. His only other Knockdowns were to Oscar Bonavena en route their first bout, when Frazier was only an 11 fight Novice, where as Bonavena was a veteran. Smokin' Joe had a good chin, not granite, but still very strong. He had arguably the most lethal left hook in history, especially when used as a roll and hook under a right hand. The only fighter with better stamina is Marciano. Joe Frazier had a hell of a heart, and without a doubt, the most perfect Pressure fighter, building up in tension after the third round, the pressure would just increase. A slightly underrated fighter.

4) George Foreman- The strongest Puncher in history. Although Earnie Shavers might have been more powerful punch for punch, he wasn't able to wail on people like Big George. His loss to Ali, spiraling him into to depression, he became inactive for a long time. In the late 80s is comeback at 40 proved he was still a great and powerful fighter, with Holyfield saying "he [George] hit harder than Tyson." Winning the Championship twice, and being a great cook, George Foreman easily is number four.

3) Jack Johnson- The first Black Heavyweight champion and a defensive master. He was years ahead of his times in fitness, and possessed great power. Due to his Defensive abilities only great puure boxer's would be able to trouble him.

2) Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali- The greatest is at number two. With blazing fast hand speed and faster legs, Ali is able to out decision most of the fighters in boxing because they would not be able to catch him. In his prime, he could throw a punch out of range, and his legs would carry him close enough to land the jab well, and out of range again before retaliation. An incredible fighter with the only loss closest to his prime was from Smokin' Joe Frazier.

drum roll please!


1) Joe Louis- The Brown Bomber, Not only was the champion for the longest time, most defenses and fought the best of his era, but he was an American Hero from his fight with Max Schmeling II. He was a boxer/puncher/counterpuncher and had all the right tools. He had a very accurate jab that set up his monstrous right hand. He had a good left hook and right uppercut, and was a good body puncher as well. He could sit patiently and counterpunch, waiting for opening to deliver the KO blow, or he could start fast and go for the KO from the opening Bell a la Jack Dempsey, as evident in Schmeling two. I think that in a three bout fight, the only ones that could win over Joe in this list are Muhammad Ali. In a three bout series, Joe's patient counter punching would cost hi ma decision over the fleet footed Clay, but he would start faster in the other two and outwork Ali en route to a decision.

Honorable mention- Kenny Norton, Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott
Phew! Tell me what you guys think of my list, I will respect your opinions but i also expect you to respect mine.

Terrible list. Please delete it. Vitali Klitschko beats everyone on the list. Also you give credit for being the "First black hw champion?" Yep that makes him better than Vitali. How many Ukranians did Jack Johnson fight? none? Ok.

Also plenty of people thought Ali robbed Jones in his fight with him and Ali ducked him forever. Also the Liston fights were rigged and Cleve WIlliams was a crip...so who did Ali beat? If you even remotely give Ali credit for Moore then you have to give Joey C credit for Bhop and RJJ because Moore was 10x more shot and 63 1/2 years old.

Klitschkos, Lewis, Bowe beat everyone on your list any night of the week.

[DarkTerror88]

Terrible list. Please delete it. Vitali Klitschko beats everyone on the list. Also you give credit for being the "First black hw champion?" Yep that makes him better than Vitali. How many Ukranians did Jack Johnson fight? none? Ok.

Also plenty of people thought Ali robbed Jones in his fight with him and Ali ducked him forever. Also the Liston fights were rigged and Cleve WIlliams was a crip...so who did Ali beat? If you even remotely give Ali credit for Moore then you have to give Joey C credit for Bhop and RJJ because Moore was 10x more shot and 63 1/2 years old.

Klitschkos, Lewis, Bowe beat everyone on your list any night of the week.

you almost make it sound like i care about your opinion. Your known for being a troll on the forums, my job is to box, its my career. I know what im talking about. I bet you haven't even got in that ring. I've gotten in that ring because i had to survive. Race doesn't mean ****, i just gave Johnson credit because it was a big thing in history, how big is a Ukraine being champ? not big at all? Ok.

[StarshipTrooper]

you almost make it sound like i care about your opinion. Your known for being a troll on the forums, my job is to box, its my career. I know what im talking about. I bet you haven't even got in that ring. I've gotten in that ring because i had to survive. Race doesn't mean ****, i just gave Johnson credit because it was a big thing in history, how big is a Ukraine being champ? not big at all? Ok.

I wouldn't pay him too much attention (which is what the attention whore wants in the first place). Afterall, MagicMan rides the short bus to Boxing Scene everyday

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[TheMagicMan]

you almost make it sound like i care about your opinion. Your known for being a troll on the forums, my job is to box, its my career. I know what im talking about. I bet you haven't even got in that ring. I've gotten in that ring because i had to survive. Race doesn't mean ****, i just gave Johnson credit because it was a big thing in history, how big is a Ukraine being champ? not big at all? Ok.

I would murder you in the ring. Theyd be checking my gloves for plaster after. You dont know what youre talking about, you are probably punch drunk. Seriously, how does boxing today give you any knowledge about fighters 80 years ago? It doesnt. Cause you watch tape? The tape that, you know old time hypers like to say, "arent shown at the right speed" or "dont show the nuances of movement". Youre a joke and probably brain damaged. Delete your list because its terrible.

Being the first black HW champion doesnt make you a top 10 HW, thats crazy. Also he was only the champion for a fraction of the world. He never fought Eastern Euros or asians etc... so Jack Johnson in my mind was the first black NABO champion. Cong****..............

Dont change the fact that Lewis, Bowe, Klitschkos would beat everyone on your list within 5 rounds.

[DarkTerror88]

I would murder you in the ring. Theyd be checking my gloves for plaster after. You dont know what youre talking about, you are probably punch drunk. Seriously, how does boxing today give you any knowledge about fighters 80 years ago? It doesnt. Cause you watch tape? The tape that, you know old time hypers like to say, "arent shown at the right speed" or "dont show the nuances of movement". Youre a joke and probably brain damaged. Delete your list because its terrible.

Being the first black HW champion doesnt make you a top 10 HW, thats crazy. Also he was only the champion for a fraction of the world. He never fought Eastern Euros or asians etc... so Jack Johnson in my mind was the first black NABO champion. Cong****..............

Dont change the fact that Lewis, Bowe, Klitschkos would beat everyone on your list within 5 rounds.

A lawyer murder a boxer in the ring? I'll give you credit for originality, but thats all I'll give you credit for. Im just going to read over everything you post because its just not worth my time. Of course It is your job. In a court lawyers have to fight for their client no matter how lost the cause.