People Who Lost 20+ Pounds Swear By These 13 Weight Loss Tips

[TheBoxGod]

I actually know a few people who lost a lot of weight just by giving up meat. I can't do that. I feel sick when I eat too much salad and not enough meat for several days.

Everyone is different so everyone must do whats best for them, some people lose 20+lbs just by stopping the consumption of sodas I've seen it time and time again. Good for the people you know, its very important to get back into a healthy weight.

[OctoberRed]

Everyone is different so everyone must do whats best for them, some people lose 20+lbs just by stopping the consumption of sodas I've seen it time and time again. Good for the people you know, its very important to get back into a healthy weight.

It's so weird. Now that I'm older, I get full a lot quicker with less food, but I don't seem to be getting slimmer... HA

[TheBoxGod]

It's so weird. Now that I'm older, I get full a lot quicker with less food, but I don't seem to be getting slimmer... HA

lol LIFE! as we age the body becomes less efficient. The more muscle you have on your frame the easier it is to offset the aging effects as it pertains to ones weight but the catch there is if you didnt already have decent amount of muscle going up in age it becomes alot more tedious process to put some on. Also the results from the effort will be a fraction of what it would have been in your younger days as opposed to being an older individual. Now taking this fact into account coupled with It is extremely easy to retain the muscle once you have it... its no brainer for me and Its why I preach to add as much muscle on now as you can and cruise into older age being YOKE! lol.

[OctoberRed]

lol LIFE! as we age the body becomes less efficient. The more muscle you have on your frame the easier it is to offset the aging effects as it pertains to ones weight but the catch there is if you didnt already have decent amount of muscle going up in age it becomes alot more tedious process to put some on. Also the results from the effort will be a fraction of what it would have been in your younger days as opposed to being an older individual. Now taking this fact into account coupled with It is extremely easy to retain the muscle once you have it... its no brainer for me and Its why I preach to add as much muscle on now as you can and cruise into older age being YOKE! lol.

I was a beast when younger, certainly not the same now.

[Quercusalba]

This conversation was strictly about losing weight and adding muscle not a deep dive into health. You can find studies that say everything if you want, 90% of studies are funded by the market. Plus all Meta-Analysis (which is the best) finds no difference in consuming meat vs other diets i.e. plant based etc.




Now first off my point was from a "optimally" point of view, sure you can get by, by eating plant based people do it all the time but its not the optimal way to build muscle while trying to lose weight as you have to piece together more items to make a complete protein profile where as with meat it is already a complete profile as is. For instance

for a 25g protein serving
you need to eat 278g of boiled pinto beans (legumes) which is 397 calories.
vs
you need to eat 82g of chicken breast which is 123 calories.

all the while the body is utilizing ~17% of the plant protein.
vs
all the while the body is utilizing ~30% of animal protein.

Why? Because the animal protein amino profile is in a ratio that our tissue can use already because we are animals tissue not plant tissue.

and dietary cholesterol has no bearings on LDL (the bad cholesterol everyone thinks about), your body needs fat to function and in fact higher fat diets are healthier than low fat diets (low fats are unhealthy diets), and carcinogens exist regardless of diet... or do you think no vegan has ever had cancer?

and oh yes the old argument of "look at this world class athlete he did it". Genetics play a huge role in what one is able to accomplish with what. Also are you 20+Lb overweight? or are you in shape? Remember my advice was for what will be the easiest way for someone to lose weight and put on muscle.

Also being obese will pose more risk factors to ones health than all the benefit of eating some plants while being obese will provide. Its more important that the person drop the weight first, get out of the danger zone of obesity and THAN from their they can get more advanced with their diet, However the first goal and the goal that trumps everything else is getting out of obesity.

I appreciate the thoughtful response, and I'm pretty sure we aren't going to win one another over on this topic. I will, however, say a few more things in response. As to the analyses you've posted, the first one is about one single specific type of cancer, the second seems somewhat inconclusive regarding meat consumption (but I may be too dumb to understand the results), and the third is problematic from its inception.

When it comes to animal protein and cancer and heart disease, I will once again recommend The China Study for a much more comprehensive analysis of how real the link is than I can here articulate. Of course vegans come down with cancer, but Dr. Campbell makes a scientific demonstration of how a plant based diet reduces cancer and cardiovascular disease risk.

Now when I say the third analysis is problematic, I need to elaborate. If indeed vegetarians and vegans are more prone to depression and anxiety disorders, other factors need to be considered. I think we should explore the mental state of plant based eaters before they went that route. Here is an admittedly huge assumption on my part, but I think people who choose to go vegan or vegetarian are generally more anxious people from the start. What causes any individual to go plant based? Is it a concern for their heart, a concern for animals and their welfare, a concern for the planet as it relates to carbon emissions and deforestation? If it is any or all of these things, I think we are dealing with an individual who is already anxious about the their own health and the health of the planet and the animals they share it with. All that to say, it doesn't surprise me in the least that vegetarians and vegans are anxious, but I certainly don't think vegetarianism is a cause of anxiousness. Rather, I think vegetarianism is sometimes an extension of pre-existing anxiousness.

A calorie is not a calorie and the amount of protein we need is not decided. Yes, chicken breast is more dense with protein than pinto beans. But, even though the pintos are more caloric, they come with a hefty dose of fiber (that most of us desperately need) plus B vitamins and micronutrients the chicken doesn't provide. In other words, the beans provide protein, carbs/fiber, vitamins, and minerals. The chicken provides zero fiber, so one will have to go elsewhere and consume more calories for that. Plus, the chicken is deficient in nutrients other than protein and a little iron. Iron which one can get from dark green vegetables with almost no caloric intake and a whole boatload of vitamins and minerals to boot. I can eat a 300 calorie fruit salad for breakfast or 20 teaspoons of sugar. I'll get the same calories either way, but a calorie is not a calorie.

I think we agree, though, obesity is the enemy. I have no idea where you are from, but I'm American and watch, with much distress, as obesity ravages the United States. I absolutely agree obtaining and maintaining a healthy weight is paramount.

[OctoberRed]

I think we agree, though, obesity is the enemy. I have no idea where you are from, but I'm American and watch, with much distress, as obesity ravages the United States. I absolutely agree obtaining and maintaining a healthy weight is paramount.

It's crazy how many calories are in some items when you actually read them.

[Quercusalba]

It's crazy how many calories are in some items when you actually read them.

You said it. The family and I recently sat down for a late lunch at chain restaurant. We don't eat out much. Mostly because we enjoy cooking and are really good at it. Rarely do I get a meal out without thinking or saying, "We could have made this better ourselves." Anyway, this restaurant had all the caloric values on the menu, and they were staggering. We all got an entire day's worth of calories at one sitting!

[TheBoxGod]

I appreciate the thoughtful response, and I'm pretty sure we aren't going to win one another over on this topic. I will, however, say a few more things in response. As to the analyses you've posted, the first one is about one single specific type of cancer, the second seems somewhat inconclusive regarding meat consumption (but I may be too dumb to understand the results), and the third is problematic from its inception.

When it comes to animal protein and cancer and heart disease, I will once again recommend The China Study for a much more comprehensive analysis of how real the link is than I can here articulate. Of course vegans come down with cancer, but Dr. Campbell makes a scientific demonstration of how a plant based diet reduces cancer and cardiovascular disease risk.

Now when I say the third analysis is problematic, I need to elaborate. If indeed vegetarians and vegans are more prone to depression and anxiety disorders, other factors need to be considered. I think we should explore the mental state of plant based eaters before they went that route. Here is an admittedly huge assumption on my part, but I think people who choose to go vegan or vegetarian are generally more anxious people from the start. What causes any individual to go plant based? Is it a concern for their heart, a concern for animals and their welfare, a concern for the planet as it relates to carbon emissions and deforestation? If it is any or all of these things, I think we are dealing with an individual who is already anxious about the their own health and the health of the planet and the animals they share it with. All that to say, it doesn't surprise me in the least that vegetarians and vegans are anxious, but I certainly don't think vegetarianism is a cause of anxiousness. Rather, I think vegetarianism is sometimes an extension of pre-existing anxiousness.

A calorie is not a calorie and the amount of protein we need is not decided. Yes, chicken breast is more dense with protein than pinto beans. But, even though the pintos are more caloric, they come with a hefty dose of fiber (that most of us desperately need) plus B vitamins and micronutrients the chicken doesn't provide. In other words, the beans provide protein, carbs/fiber, vitamins, and minerals. The chicken provides zero fiber, so one will have to go elsewhere and consume more calories for that. Plus, the chicken is deficient in nutrients other than protein and a little iron. Iron which one can get from dark green vegetables with almost no caloric intake and a whole boatload of vitamins and minerals to boot. I can eat a 300 calorie fruit salad for breakfast or 20 teaspoons of sugar. I'll get the same calories either way, but a calorie is not a calorie.

I think we agree, though, obesity is the enemy. I have no idea where you are from, but I'm American and watch, with much distress, as obesity ravages the United States. I absolutely agree obtaining and maintaining a healthy weight is paramount.

Yeah like you said we aren't going to sway each other to our view points, I will just like to reiterate that my advice were based on dropping weight and putting on muscle optimally and also like to point out in my original post I had a disclaimer saying my advice will be different if you weren't trying to lose fat and put on muscle.

with that being said I will gloss over a few points, Studies are studies; you can find one that supports any viewpoints and that was my main point I wanted to drive-home by supplying those links; and not necessarily a deep dive into health like I said in that post aswell. Variables matter and no study accounts for all variables outside of animal studies which do not necessary apply to us 1:1.

Yes a calorie is not a calorie in terms of nutrients however a calorie is a calorie in terms of losing weight (which this entire topic is about). So I will still recommend animal protein to a cilent who wants to loose weight over recommending going vegan/vegeterain just because of the calorie ratio. Also I will still recommend animal protein to a client who wants to put on muscle while losing weight because animal protein profile are complete and in lower calories and you need a complete protein profile to benefit from triggering MPS (muscle protein synthesis) aka build muscle. Plus in a deficit (which one will need to be to lose weight) you are more than likely not going to be hitting your RDA anyways (which 90% of the population if not more do not hit regardless of diets most vegans are malnourished technically). So try to put someone on a 1600 calories (deficit) plant base and hit all your RDA while getting in enough protein (complete profile) to build muscle which is minimum .7g per lb of body weight the higher the deficit the more the protein should go up... good luck.

So to me it becomes a matter of whats realistic and optimal in the quest to lose weight and build muscle and that's animal protein + resistance training. Thats just my perspective of the best way to lose weight and put on muscle.