Comments Thread For: Arum: Mayweather Refused Pacquiao Singapore Clash

[amayseng]

Let's see if ESPN does a story on this. It'll be a 3 second mention at 2 in the morning.

they did two today

first and ten around noon and also on parden the interruption with wilbon calling floyd a coward....

honestly


they said if floyd feels he is the all time greatest ever he should NOT fear any fighter with extra testing or not if he thinks he is soooo untouchable..

i think the fight is a toss up really, but my gosh they all made floyd look bad

[x3_bazooka_x3]

Yes Floyd fans love to accuse those who decry Floyd as being racist when in fact Floyds fans are racist and apparently so is Floyd himself.

Floyd is racist his most of his fans are as well... look around you man

[jasonfarr]

Because He can't get numb shots in his hands

He refused because it's illegal to get numb shots his hands anywhere but Vegas. Thats why he only fight in Vegas

[The Nature Boy]

they did two today

first and ten around noon and also on parden the interruption with wilbon calling floyd a coward....

honestly


they said if floyd feels he is the all time greatest ever he should NOT fear any fighter with extra testing or not if he thinks he is soooo untouchable..

i think the fight is a toss up really, but my gosh they all made floyd look bad

Wilbon is a disgrace. If the media and sports fans were to label him a ****sexual or f@g because he and his wife had a surrogate child together 4 years into their marriage, by his logic they would be justifed.

[beatnutts]

Why are you guys even taking sides? Aren't you guys tired of the Manny and Mayweather BS? OK, if Mayweather is serious than he would go ahead and draft a contract with the testing he wants done but he's not doing it. And if Manny is serious, he can draft his own contract to prove he really is willing to take the test and ship it to Mayweather to sign. Both guys are yapping their asses off and that's it. No one wants to take the initiative and force the other guy to sign which means they are both full of it.

[LeadUppercut]

im not saying bayless is right...

my point is that this shiiit has finally hit mainstream, away from us hardcore fans and for those mainstream or non fans it looks bad for floyd

that was my point..

i do home health physical therapy, im in my car all day listening to espn and fox sports radio, and in six months ive only heard on jim rome about mayweather ortiz before and after

with bernard doing an interview before the dawson fight and it the result or fight has never been mentioned since..

point being, finally boxing news out there, and floyd looks like a duck

Sure, and good point, but casual fans think that Gatti and Ward are ATG's (RIP Aruro, and WAR Mickey) and yet neither were great fighters.

e.g.
Most casual fans think that Manny has "cleaned out" the welterweight division, not seeming to realise that he has only ever fought 2 welterweights at 147, one was an old man, the other was a bum, neither were ranked higher than 4, and neither should have been ranked in the top 5.

Skip is welcome to his opinion, and casual fans are mostly naive fanboys who will believe whatever suits them at the time. I see Bayless as a devils advocate for casual ignorants. I wonder how many people engage in bar arguments over some rubbish they heard Skip repeat?

[LeadUppercut]

you can easily ask every single question here about Floyd, could Floyd have beaten Margarito? Nope he turned down the first career high payday to fight Baldomir instead, but I hear ya lineal even though the man had a dozen losses and couldnt punch

and since when has Cotto become shot? cus you say so? I mean a fighter has one loss and suddenly he is shot? get ****ing real..... Wait no lets keep it that way, since you want to argue that..... lets take a left turn

Gatti, Mitchell, Baldomir,Judah,Corley, Delahoya, Mosley, Marquez and Ortiz how many losses did they have when Floyd got to them? so i guess they are shot as well right?

So then how the **** does one loss Cotto have make him shot? there are plenty of holes in your pathetic argument

1.) Who cares about Mayflower, this discussion is about Pacquiao

2.) How could Mayweathers actions, justify Pacquiao's? WTF?

3.) If I shoplift an item from a store, and get away with it, will the judge accept that as rationale for letting you off the hook?

4.) I am not interested in your silly Pac/May war..... Pacquiao needs to grow up, man up, and stop acting like a little b1tch. Mayweather and Martinez have punked him out so many times now he is starting to look ******.

Cotto ?

Miguel Cotto.....

When Pacquiao fought Cotto, Miguel had just been destroyed by Margarito and then battered by Clottey. EVERY reputable trainer/reporter/analyst said that Cotto looked shop-worn and well-faded, and that he had been in too many wars.

Cotto was not on top of his game, he had begun to slide, he had no trainer to speak of, and was struggling with problems both in camp and at home relating to a family matter that affected his relationship with head trainer Evan Cotto.

Miguel was not on top of his game, and he most certainly was not in his prime..... plus, Pacquiao tried to drain him on the scales.

Listen to this reporter's take on the subject, shortly after the Clottey fight....

"I wasn’t exactly shocked to see Manny Pacquiao’s name being linked for a fight with Miguel Cotto after the Puerto Rican fighters disappointing performance last Saturday night against Joshua Clottey. As bad as Cotto looked in the fight, and believe me Cotto looked pretty awful, it seemed like a no brainer that Pacquiao would then select him as his next opponent.

But my question is why isn’t Pacquiao going after Shane Mosley or Paul Williams instead? Why the emphasis at fighting Cotto, when he was destroyed by Antonio Margarito last year? It seems to me the much better choice for Pacquiao would be to go after Mosley, since he beat Margarito a few months ago by a 9th round TKO.

Since Margarito has already stopped Cotto, the logical choice for Pacquiao to fight would be Mosley. That’s the bout that Pacquiao should be going after unless he wants to be considered a cherry picker."

Pacquiao saw that Cotto was ripe, so he jumped on him, but even the fact that Cotto had faded was not enough of an advantage for 27%..... so he demanded a catch-weight of 145lbs.

A catch-weight, for a title fight..... *** me, that is lame

Cotto of course, flatly refused. Miguel stated "147 if you want my title, but no-title if you need a catchweight". Of course, 27% demanded a catchweight and the title, it became a sticking point to get the fight made, so Cotto was forced to concede.

But even that was not enough for 27%, he demanded 143, even though his trainer Freddie Roach agreed to 144. Luckily for Miguel he stuck to his guns, or those cherry-picking ****s would have dragged him down to 143lbs.....


Catch-weights.....

There are only two reasons to demand a catch-weight.....

1.) you are not good enough to compete with your opponent at his natural weight

2.) you are attempting to drain your opponent to gain an unfair advantage

Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.

The 143lb demand was an absolute joke, they really tried to do a number on Cotto. Just because the bullet missed, does not lessen the intent.

Shame on Pacquiao for cheating history, not once, but twice, because he did the same thing to Margarito..... Pacquiao is a cherry-picker who does not compare with truly great fighters.

[LeadUppercut]

they did two today

first and ten around noon and also on parden the interruption with wilbon calling floyd a coward....

honestly

they said if floyd feels he is the all time greatest ever he should NOT fear any fighter with extra testing or not if he thinks he is soooo untouchable..

i think the fight is a toss up really, but my gosh they all made floyd look bad

1.) Wilbon is not a boxing guy, and is widely regarded as a total fkn idiot

2.) They are both well-known Mayweather haters, and completely biased

3.) It would be a toss-up between Bayless and Wilbon on two levels.....

a.) who has the least credibility among genuine sports fans ?
b.) who knows the least about boxing ?
c.) who is the biggest Mayweather hater ?

The voices of two idiots cannot be taken seriously.

Hey, you know that guy who hosts 60 minutes ?

He told me that Pacquiao is the greatest fighter of all time.

He has even less credibility than those two historians Wilbon and Bayless

[x3_bazooka_x3]

1.) Who cares about Mayflower, this discussion is about Pacquiao

2.) How could Mayweathers actions, justify Pacquiao's? WTF?

3.) If I shoplift an item from a store, and get away with it, will the judge accept that as rationale for letting you off the hook?

4.) I am not interested in your silly Pac/May war..... Pacquiao needs to grow up, man up, and stop acting like a little b1tch. Mayweather and Martinez have punked him out so many times now he is starting to look ******.

Cotto ?

Miguel Cotto.....

When Pacquiao fought Cotto, Miguel had just been destroyed by Margarito and then battered by Clottey. EVERY reputable trainer/reporter/analyst said that Cotto looked shop-worn and well-faded, and that he had been in too many wars.

The man doesnt have to do anything the commissions do not require, I mean Floyds Proof of Manny being on steroids is this

he was average at the younger age and got better and became a beast....

Okay well if you were dirt poor training and fighting in Asia and then came to the states and found Freddy Roach you will improve if you have natural ability..

Ohh wait he was lossin to lesser fighters

Yup he was and he was a baby at 16 when he turned pro fighting grown men, while at 16 Floyd who weighed exactly the same as Manny was lossing to lesser fighters to such as Augie Sanchez

or there is this one

He moved up all those weight classes,

Yup sure has, and you know what so has Floyd, who was the same weight Manny was at sixteen and yet Floyd has scaled in at 150 in which Manny never stepped on the scales once at a full 147

Cotto was shot cus he got busted up badly by Margarito? Please look how badly Gatti has been busted up by Ward, De La Hoya, Robinson, etc.. Or Mitchell who was battered by KT, or Baldimor who had a dozen losses Judah who was destroyed by KT all those fighters were shot as well thats all im saying you argue only in favor of Floyd and that is nothing more than pure hate to discredit what Manny has done.

Floyd dont want the fight, it would be nice to see the WBC mandate a pac match.. my guess is Floyd will Vacate and retire and Martinez come on dude, I wouldnt advise neither Floyd nor Manny to make that move

[LeadUppercut]

The man doesnt have to do anything the commissions do not require, I mean Floyds Proof of Manny being on steroids is this

he was average at the younger age and got better and became a beast....

Okay well if you were dirt poor training and fighting in Asia and then came to the states and found Freddy Roach you will improve if you have natural ability..

Ohh wait he was lossin to lesser fighters

Yup he was and he was a baby at 16 when he turned pro fighting grown men, while at 16 Floyd who weighed exactly the same as Manny was lossing to lesser fighters to such as Augie Sanchez

or there is this one

He moved up all those weight classes,

Yup sure has, and you know what so has Floyd, who was the same weight Manny was at sixteen and yet Floyd has scaled in at 150 in which Manny never stepped on the scales once at a full 147

Cotto was shot cus he got busted up badly by Margarito? Please look how badly Gatti has been busted up by Ward, De La Hoya, Robinson, etc.. Or Mitchell who was battered by KT, or Baldimor who had a dozen losses Judah who was destroyed by KT all those fighters were shot as well thats all im saying you argue only in favor of Floyd and that is nothing more than pure hate to discredit what Manny has done.

Floyd dont want the fight, it would be nice to see the WBC mandate a pac match.. my guess is Floyd will Vacate and retire and Martinez come on dude, I wouldnt advise neither Floyd nor Manny to make that move

STOP !!

FACT: This is not a trial, so Mayweather does not require "proof".

FACT: Blood tests are completely harmless

FACT: Stricter testing is great for the sport, and long overdue

FACT: This is an absurd discussion kid, because the blood tests were not a problem for Mosley, they were not a problem for Ortiz, and they would not be a problem for any of the MANY clean athletes (including Manny's stablemate Amir Khan) who have publicly stated that blood testing is completely irrelevant and would not be a problem

So tell me, seeing that you find those nasty tests sooooo utterly abhorrent which one of those 8 ridiculous excuses did you believe?

Whichever excuse that you decided to fly with..... if it was really a genuine reason, then why did Pacquiao require 7 more ridiculous excuses as backup?

Why did USADA suddenly become corrupt ?