Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Devin Haney, the career of Josh Taylor, scoring, and why there are no longer non-title fights

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Coach Stephen ?Breadman? Edwards, ahead of a busy weekend where he will be guiding Caleb Plant and Kyrone Davis in big fights in Las Vegas, answers your questions and assesses your assertions in his latest mailbag
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[boxingitis]

Uses SNAC to Shrink and have Weight Advantage
Hugs opponents to death
Doesn't have a Chin
Can't Crack an Egg
Runs Marathons in the ring
Pretends to be M_slim
Wants to mimick Mayweather

What is there to like about Haney?

[Smash]

What is there to like about Haney?

his dad?

[PNUT901]

Lomachenko had all of the skill and talent in the world , it was a real treat to watch him do his thing. It was beautiful to watch. Overall though , especially when you consider how talented he was I think that his career has been a disappointment. He's had too few fights as a professional. As long as he's been a pro , he should have at least double the amount of fights that he's had. He had the talent of a top 5 All Time Great , but certainly not the career of one.

[Mark Elding]

Lomachenko had all of the skill and talent in the world , it was a real treat to watch him do his thing. It was beautiful to watch. Overall though , especially when you consider how talented he was I think that his career has been a disappointment. He's had too few fights as a professional. As long as he's been a pro , he should have at least double the amount of fights that he's had. He had the talent of a top 5 All Time Great , but certainly not the career of one.

I can’t agree Loma’s career was a disappointment, even while completely agreeing with your praise for him.

Loma basically ‘lost’ three fights that, under the same circumstances, I’m not sure any other fighter in the history of the sport would have won.

A teak tough, grizzled veteran almost two full weight divisions heavier, and who was disgracefully permitted to punch low all night long. In his second pro fight! Loma ran it real close against Salido and would have won by stoppage in a 15 rounder.

Loma also made it really tight against Lopez, who also likely outweighed him by 10-15lb in the ring. Same day weigh in era, and that’s a lightweight v welterweight right there. Even Teo said pre-fight that he would win because Lima was too small and his body was breaking down from too many fights. Well, that’s exactly what happened. If Loma says he heard his chronically injured shoulder ‘pop’ in the second round, when he made his first serious offensive move, I’m inclined to believe it was a serious impairment from that point on. There certainly weren’t too many lead hooks, but he still almost drowned Teo late.

Loma deserved the win over Haney, though it was too competitive to be labelled an outright robbery. But again, how many ageing, inactive fighters could give away that much weight (Haney reportedly rehydrated to 165lb for his next outing v Prograis) on fight night against an elite talent in his prime, and perform so well?

The stats might seem paltry but Loma’s an all time great, no doubt in my eyes. Context is everything. I’ve never seen a superior technician when campaigning against men his own natural size.

[PNUT901]

It's not just the "casual fans" who need to be entertained , I would say that it is even more important to entertain the hardcore fans. When the casual fans get interested in a fight or a fighter , a lot of the time it is because the buzz is heard from the hardcore fans. We are the ones that are telling people who are not usually into boxing about exciting fighters and fights. If a fighter doesn't entertain us , he's not going to get the chance to entertain the casual sports fan because they will never hear his name.

[PNUT901]

I can’t agree Loma’s career was a disappointment, even while completely agreeing with your praise for him.

Loma basically ‘lost’ three fights that, under the same circumstances, I’m not sure any other fighter in the history of the sport would have won.

A teak tough, grizzled veteran almost two full weight divisions heavier, and who was disgracefully permitted to punch low all night long. In his second pro fight! Loma ran it real close against Salido and would have won by stoppage in a 15 rounder.

Loma also made it really tight against Lopez, who also likely outweighed him by 10-15lb in the ring. Same day weigh in era, and that’s a lightweight v welterweight right there. If Loma says he heard his chronically injured shoulder ‘pop’ in the second round, when he made his first serious offensive move, I’m inclined to believe it was a serious impairment from that point on. There certainly weren’t too many lead hooks, but he still almost drowned Teo late.

Loma deserved the win over Haney, though it was too competitive to be labelled an outright robbery. But again, how many ageing, inactive fighters could give away that much weight (Haney reportedly rehydrated to 165lb for his next outing v Prograis) on fight night against an elite talent in his prime, and perform so well?

The stats might seem paltry but Loma’s an all time great, no doubt in my eyes. Context is everything. I’ve never seen a superior technician when campaigning against men his own natural size.

It's not the losses that bother me , it's the small amount of fights. It's not like Lomachenko was getting beat up in his fights and needed huge recovery time. I just think that his career would have been a lot better if he had fought a lot more. Staying amateur so long did not do his professional career any favors either. As good as he was he could have been a huge star. There are a bunch of really good fighters now who I think are going to be wishing that they had fought a lot more when their careers are over. Especially these days with so many things competing for our attention , it's easy to forget a guy who only fights once a year, no matter how good they are. I'm not questioning how great he was , Lomachenko was incredible , when he got in a groove it was like watching a magician . He was absolutely brilliant.

[anonymous2.0]

A runner is one who tries to survive by over-moving and running out the clock, hence the term “runner”. The runner only wants to go the distance and he rarely executes any offensive attacks.

Okay so Bread says Scull is a runner but Scull also threw more punches then Haney did, 293 to 224 and Scull is in a higher weight class where punch output is typically less then the lower weights. Haney wants to go the distance in his fights and he rarely executes offensive attacks, so by his own metric wouldn't Haney be a runner?

[brankobugarski]

Lomachenko had all of the skill and talent in the world , it was a real treat to watch him do his thing. It was beautiful to watch. Overall though , especially when you consider how talented he was I think that his career has been a disappointment. He's had too few fights as a professional. As long as he's been a pro , he should have at least double the amount of fights that he's had. He had the talent of a top 5 All Time Great , but certainly not the career of one.

I agree. Loma had all the talent in the world and it was a treat to watch him. One thing I noticed though. In the fights against Salido and Teo he gave them way too much respect early in the fight and started his run too late. He could have drowned both guys if he was a bit more courageous early on and trusted his skills and stamina. I think he beat Haney.

By the way, decent mail bag from Breadman. I agree with 90% of his commentary and many of his favourite fighters are also my favourite fighters. The only thing I don't agree is his evaluation of Devin Haney. In his last fight he was running all the way even though Ramirez tried to make a fight out of it. Why? Because when he tried to walk Ryan down and abandon his usual modus operandi, he paid the price.

[ShoulderRoll]

I don’t care what race they are, the sport would go extinct if all fighters were runners like Haney and Scull.

The fans know what they like and what they don’t. Stop trying to gaslight them into accepting these awful, boring performances.