Statistically hardest HW hitters

[jiopsi]

Least rounds per fight

3.3 Tommy Morrison (172/52)
3.7 Mike Tyson (216/58)
3.8 Frank Bruno (170/45)
4.1 Jack Dempsey (283/69)
4.1 Ernie Shavers (367/89) (non-champion)
4.2 Rid**** Bowe (195/46)
4.3 George Foreman (349/81)
4.9 Rocky Marciano (241/49)
4.9 Sonny Liston (267/54)
5.0 Vitali Klitschko (235/47)
5.0 Donovan Ruddock (237/47) (non-champion)
5.1 Wladimir Klitschko (334/66)
5.1 Lennox Lewis (225/44)
5.4 Max Baer (423/79)
5.8 Joe Frazier (213/37)
6.0 Joe Louis (417/69)
6.2 Tim Whitherspoon (426/69)
7.6 Evander Holyfield (443/58)
8.9 Muhammad Ali (548/61)

Least rounds per won/drawn world title fight

1,00 Sonny Liston (2)
4,60 Jack Dempsey (5)
4,67 Mike Tyson (12)
5,40 Rid**** Bowe (5)
6,59 Joe Louis (27)
6,70 Joe Frazier (10)
7,06 Lennox Lewis (16)
7,29 George Foreman (7)
7,87 Vitali Klitscho (15)
8,00 Tommy Morrison (2)
8,04 Wladimir Klitscho (25)
9,33 Evander Holyfield (12)
9,43 Rocky Marciano (7)
10,3 Deontay Wilder (4)
10,4 Muhammad Ali (22)
11,0 Max Baer (1)
12,0 Frank Bruno (1)
12,7 Tim Whitherspoon (3)

[juggernaut666]

Least rounds per fight

3.7 Mike Tyson (216/58)
3.8 Frank Bruno (170/45)
4.1 Jack Dempsey (283/69)
4.1 Ernie Shavers (367/89) (non-champion)
4.2 Rid**** Bowe (195/46)
4.3 George Foreman (349/81)
4.9 Rocky Marciano (241/49)
4.9 Sonny Liston (267/54)
5.0 Vitali Klitschko (235/47)
5.1 Wladimir Klitschko (334/66)
5.1 Lennox Lewis (225/44)
5.4 Max Baer (423/79)
5.8 Joe Frazier (213/37)
6.0 Joe Louis (417/69)
7.6 Evander Holyfield (443/58)
8.9 Muhammad Ali (548/61)

Least rounds per won/drawn world title fight

1,00 Sonny Liston (2)
4,60 Jack Dempsey (5)
4,67 Mike Tyson (12)
5,40 Rid**** Bowe (5)
6,59 Joe Louis (27)
6,70 Joe Frazier (10)
7,06 Lennox Lewis (16)
7,29 George Foreman (7)
7,87 Vitali Klitscho (15)
8,04 Wladimir Klitscho (25)
9,33 Evander Holyfield (12)
9,43 Rocky Marciano (7)
10,3 Deontay Wilder (4)
10,4 Muhammad Ali (22)
11,0 Max Baer (1)
12,0 Frank Bruno (1)

ALL IN ALL YOU HAVE TO GO BY LEAST RNDS IN GENERAL AND SOMEONES LOOKING FOR K.OS AND STYLE....I BELIEVE THIS PUTS Tyson AS A CLEAR FAVORITE HERE....I SEE MOST PPL IF NOT ALL AVOIDED THIS POST LIKE THE PLAGUE ...OF COURSE THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO RATIONALIZE WHAT CONSISTS OF BEST K.O ARTIST AND EXCLUDE THEIR FAVORITES.

OPPONENTS I WOULD SAY COUNT MORE AND MATCHES WON IN QUALITY ..ALSO EXCLUDING BOWE AS A TOP PUNCHER OF HIS ERA ALONE BUT CERTAINLY BETTER THAN LISTON,JUST LOOO AT OPPOSITION WHICH IN THE END ACTUALLY COUNTS MOST ALONG WITHA GOOD K.O REFERANCE..ALA TYSON KNOCKING OUT HOLMES...NO ONES EVER DONE THAT EVEN A DECADE LATER THAN 1988.aLL COMES DOWN FOR ME IS VIDEO EVIDANCE LIKE EVERYTHING REALLY.

TOMMY MORRISON WENT 38 OUT OF 48 FIGHTS 3 RNDS OR LESS..I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE ON JUST WATCHING FILM FOOTAGE MOST DOESNT PUT HIM IN TOP 5 ALONG WITH LESS POPULAR RUDDOCK BASED ON HIS DAMAGING ABILITIES. THEN AGAIN MOST GO ON WATCHING HYPE VIDS AND SO FORTH,YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ACTUAL PUNCHING PROWESS AND ABILITIES.

[jiopsi]

Added Morrison, Ruddock and Whitherspoon.

[jiopsi]

ALL IN ALL YOU HAVE TO GO BY LEAST RNDS IN GENERAL AND SOMEONES LOOKING FOR K.OS AND STYLE....I BELIEVE THIS PUTS Tyson AS A CLEAR FAVORITE HERE....I SEE MOST PPL IF NOT ALL AVOIDED THIS POST LIKE THE PLAGUE ...OF COURSE THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO RATIONALIZE WHAT CONSISTS OF BEST K.O ARTIST AND EXCLUDE THEIR FAVORITES.

OPPONENTS I WOULD SAY COUNT MORE AND MATCHES WON IN QUALITY ..ALSO EXCLUDING BOWE AS A TOP PUNCHER OF HIS ERA ALONE BUT CERTAINLY BETTER THAN LISTON,JUST LOOO AT OPPOSITION WHICH IN THE END ACTUALLY COUNTS MOST ALONG WITHA GOOD K.O REFERANCE..ALA TYSON KNOCKING OUT HOLMES...NO ONES EVER DONE THAT EVEN A DECADE LATER THAN 1988.aLL COMES DOWN FOR ME IS VIDEO EVIDANCE LIKE EVERYTHING REALLY.

TOMMY MORRISON WENT 38 OUT OF 48 FIGHTS 3 RNDS OR LESS..I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE ON JUST WATCHING FILM FOOTAGE MOST DOESNT PUT HIM IN TOP 5 ALONG WITH LESS POPULAR RUDDOCK BASED ON HIS DAMAGING ABILITIES. THEN AGAIN MOST GO ON WATCHING HYPE VIDS AND SO FORTH,YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ACTUAL PUNCHING PROWESS AND ABILITIES.

Tyson seems to come on top when you consider both statistics and the portion of title fights to all fights. Unlike Liston he has enough title fights to portray the average well.

[Ray Corso]

It's all about WHO you stop not how many and how soon. Stopping bums or trial horses is expected so not much weight on those situations.
Not much credence in Tyson stopping an older Holmes who in his prime would be a straight up match for Tyson just watch Evander vs Tyson you'd see Holmes dedicate that same style to Tyson. Of course you'd need to know a fighters "complete" history to access equal primes. Holmes vs Tyson was a quick sign for Larry and he grabbed all the pennies he could.

Morrison and Bruno punched well but they fought nobodies, Foreman hit hard and took hard punches. George was the heavier handed man and Shavers hit harder than Morrison & Bruno. Marciano's punch was strong but it was more about the arm angles he used and the tightness of his shots. He had those chopping shots that hurt even if they glanced off his target. Dempsey had a similar attack along with Tyson. Frazier also but Joe was really a one handed
power guy.
The Klitz bros is ridiculous along with Wilder, they've fought no one who could actually punch back. Max Baer would be more feared in today's boxing era than the Klitz bros. or Wilder.

Ray

[billeau2]

It's all about WHO you stop not how many and how soon. Stopping bums or trial horses is expected so not much weight on those situations.
Not much credence in Tyson stopping an older Holmes who in his prime would be a straight up match for Tyson just watch Evander vs Tyson you'd see Holmes dedicate that same style to Tyson. Of course you'd need to know a fighters "complete" history to access equal primes. Holmes vs Tyson was a quick sign for Larry and he grabbed all the pennies he could.

Morrison and Bruno punched well but they fought nobodies, Foreman hit hard and took hard punches. George was the heavier handed man and Shavers hit harder than Morrison & Bruno. Marciano's punch was strong but it was more about the arm angles he used and the tightness of his shots. He had those chopping shots that hurt even if they glanced off his target. Dempsey had a similar attack along with Tyson. Frazier also but Joe was really a one handed
power guy.
The Klitz bros is ridiculous along with Wilder, they've fought no one who could actually punch back. Max Baer would be more feared in today's boxing era than the Klitz bros. or Wilder.

Ray

I love to watch Baer with that right...Like a cannonball!

[The Old LefHook]

Glove sizes and padding have changed. I assume glove size is an important factor.

Statistics are more meaningful if weighted to reflect the quality of the opposition KO'd.

[Ray Corso]

Glove size is an interesting topic when considering hard punches.
Does a 8oz , horse hair packed glove do more damage than a foam padded 10oz glove?
Which glove is actually adding to the punch?
If a hard puncher hits you in the head with his bare fist will the effect increase when adding a roll of quarters to his hand?
As a kid I used to ask to use my Ben Bow 5oz. gloves, most of the weight was at the wrist, the fist were foamed and very tightly packed, loved those gloves.
I couldn't care what my opponent wore as long as they allowed me to use mine. (these weren't sanctioned bouts they were held in Tija Baja Mexico)
I felt my punches were harder with conventional 8oz Everlast compared to the Ben Bows but I liked my gloves because I could control my hand tension better and never got hand fatigue when using them.

Do you want to add weight to Big Georges hands? Now he's going to hurt you either way but the difference between a 12oz hand to a 20oz hand might make the difference of waking up in a few minutes or not at all!

Think about it!

Ray

ok heading out in low 40 degree weather on my new (to me) 2013 FLHR at 6AM. Going for about 100 miles (50 out 50 back) to start getting ready for my April run to Leesburg Bike Fest. about a 400 mile day which these days is a long day for me.
I went to the first Leesberg fest. when they drew about 50 bikes, I think about 18 years ago. Now their drawing 300 grand for their 4 day event.
Nice area of Florida, black top roads, lots of fresh water lakes unfortunately its over grown unbelievably in the past 12 years. Use to be rolling hills and farm land now its condo's and malls, what a waste of prime land.

nite all, Kid Crawford tonite, I'll watch but its time for this kid to fight quality.

Ray.

[juggernaut666]

Tyson seems to come on top when you consider both statistics and the portion of title fights to all fights. Unlike Liston he has enough title fights to portray the average well.

In the end you have to look at video footage....Tyson/Morrison/Klitchko and others have better one punch k.o powers. Anyone can rack up a k.o percentage thru inferior fighters though...foreman had a strong punch ,is it more efficient than the others? no.

[W. Ledochowski]

You should also look at styles and opposition though... Take Wladimir Klitschko, he's very cautious, he prefers to feel his opponents before letting his hands go, but would you say he hits less hard than Liston, Tyson or Bowe?

Tyson was super aggressive, swarming and overwhelming you from the start with blazing combos, of course he would put you out of there quickly... Morrison was fairly aggressive too...

Foreman, although not as aggressive as Tyson, would try to destroy you quickly, then the strange fight with Ali happened and after he wasn't the same, then retired and we've never seen his true prime/peak...

Shavers has his competition problem, never ko anyone of note except a green Young and a completely shot Norton...

All in all i think that Tyson considering everything is probably the most effective/faster koer, but not the hardest/heavier hitter, in my opinion...