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    #21
    Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

    You gotta take what that guy says with a grain of salt, he doesn't live in the real world. We're talking about a guy who has both Tua and McCall in his top 10 all time heavyweights. Proof and its definition escape him.
    He does? Great stuff
    McCallum wanted to fight all of the so called fab four, but none of them would give him the chance. They considered him high risk/low reward

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      #22
      Originally posted by frankenfrank View Post
      Maybe he changed his mind , after Hagler retired and there was no more the danger of him fighting Hagler. Had Hagler and he were still active , he would have still kept his original mind of Hagler being a MW and himself being a junior MW.
      Dude stop
      The guy started as a Jmw and fought as high as cw and you are trying to tell me he was scared of Hagler? He was just as good as Hagler in every department and he will go down resume wise as much higher than Hagler, who stayed at mw and called out the little guys.

      A past prime McCallum gave a damn good account of himself against Toney*3, in his prime he easily holds his own against Hagler.
      Last edited by Toney616; 06-30-2010, 03:43 PM.

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        #23
        Originally posted by -IronMike- View Post
        Im not sure, but I do know that his original opponent for Tokyo was Ruddock. Tyson would claim to be "sick", so that fight was cancelled and Ruddock would be replaced with Douglas. Holyfield got a shot at Douglas right after that, so I think he might of been the no 1 contender for one of Mike's belts.
        The ill-fated Tyson-Ruddock fight was scheduled for Nov 18th of 1989, my friend, and was slated to take place at the Northlands Coliseum in Edmonton, Alberta. A local promoter by the name of Gary 'Mad Dog' Stevenson was to help with the local promotion, ticket sales and other things (booking celebrity guests and whatever else). The fight quickly sold upwards of $2 million worth of tickets in only a few days.

        Both Tyson and Don King came up to Edmonton to announce it in September of that year, and Tyson even came up in mid October to continue his training camp at a place called Panther Gym in Edmonton. Seemed to have been having a good time and enjoying the city at that point. But a funny thing happened in the month between the Tyson-Ruddock fight being announced in the press conference in Edmonton and when Tyson came up to his camp...Don King recieved a big offer from Japan to hold a Tyson fight and the sum they were offering was in the neighborhood of $12 million. That was multiple times more than what Tyson was to be paid for the Ruddock fight in Edmonton with his purse being $2.2 million (purse and expense) and a share of the site fee. Maybe he makes $3 million from that fight? *shrugs*

        But yeah, while Don King was working the deal with the Japanese, Tyson came down with a convenient case of some type of lung infection. Supposedly. But, as would be expected, there are those who did question the legitimacy of Tyson's condition considering what was on the table from the other side of the world. Not sure you can blame him much either way, though.
        Last edited by Yogi; 07-01-2010, 01:44 AM.

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          #24
          Douglas was just supposed to be a tuneup for the real defense. Back in the 50s the title wouldn't even have been on the line for such a fight.

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            #25
            Originally posted by -IronMike- View Post
            He does? Great stuff
            McCallum wanted to fight all of the so called fab four, but none of them would give him the chance. They considered him high risk/low reward
            Comes from a guy who doesn't have Lennox Lewis in his top 10 , which never existed by the way.

            And as I wrote , McCallum didn't want to fight Hagler at the time.
            About the rest I don't know.
            Didn't him and Hearns have the same trainer ?

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              #26
              Originally posted by -IronMike- View Post
              Dude stop
              The guy started as a Jmw and fought as high as cw and you are trying to tell me he was scared of Hagler?
              Do you know whom did he fight at LHW and the as you claim CW ?
              And how those fights turned out for him ?
              Originally posted by -IronMike- View Post
              He was just as good as Hagler in every department and he will go down resume wise as much higher than Hagler, who stayed at mw and called out the little guys.
              McCallum could never repeat what Hagler did against Hearns. Even if Hearns had broke both of his hands .
              Originally posted by -IronMike- View Post
              A past prime McCallum gave a damn good account of himself against Toney*3, in his prime he easily holds his own against Hagler.
              Toney himself had troubles making weight for their second fight , had rough time around the time of their third fight which he won without big effort by the way and is the only uncontroversial decision in their trilogy ,
              and claiming McCallum was as good as Hagler in every department (power , anyone ? , not even chin BTW , and also not stamina)
              can only come from someone who didn't see more than the Toney-McCallum trilogy and Hagler-Hearns.

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                #27
                Originally posted by flyest1 View Post
                Thank you for the replies. I never knew that Ruddock was the original oppenent. Funny how things work out in boxing sometimes especially for an undisputed champ.

                Donald Curry held all 3 belts and was suppose to move up and face Mike McCallum. But was advised to stay at 147 and fight Honeyghan. That would've been a better Curry vs McCallum

                Zab Judah wanted to fight Shane Mosley. But instead fought another of his #1 contenders Carlos Baldomir

                I think Lewis dropped his WBA belt so he wouldn't fight Ruiz. Only to fight Rahman and get knocked out

                Now I hear Ruddock was the Original oppenent for Tyson
                You can add to that list that Julio Ceasar Chaves was suppose to fight Jake Rodriguez who was a lefty and trained with Whitaker who Chavez just fought. JCC didn't want to fight another lefty and fought Frankie Randall instead

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by frankenfrank View Post
                  Comes from a guy who doesn't have Lennox Lewis in his top 10 , which never existed by the way.
                  I have better things to do with my time then make ATG lists, since when does being a boxing fan mean you have to have a ATG list anyway?
                  Originally posted by frankenfrank View Post
                  And as I wrote , McCallum didn't want to fight Hagler at the time.
                  About the rest I don't know.
                  And you know this how? You can't even mention a source, but I should take your claim over McCallum's
                  Originally posted by frankenfrank View Post
                  Didn't him and Hearns have the same trainer ?
                  Manny wouldn't let him have a shot at Hearn so McCallum left the Kronk gym

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by -IronMike- View Post
                    I have better things to do with my time then make ATG lists, since when does being a boxing fan mean you have to have a ATG list anyway?
                    true you can be a boxing fan without having sorted lists just don't try to claim who was better than who , a win about whom counts and about whom doesn't , and discredit fighters which are things you did .
                    Originally posted by -IronMike- View Post
                    And you know this how? You can't even mention a source, but I should take your claim over McCallum's
                    So keep believing McCallum , I don't remember the exact source , I told you already the options I thought it was from.
                    Originally posted by -IronMike- View Post
                    Manny wouldn't let him have a shot at Hearn so McCallum left the Kronk gym
                    I don't know about the rest of the fab four , but McCallum wanted no fight against a prime Hagler , maybe he changed his mind as soon as Hagler seemed to deteriorate.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by frankenfrank View Post
                      Do you know whom did he fight at LHW and the as you claim CW ?
                      He beat Jeff Harding to get a lhw belt, he would lose it to Tiozzi in France. He would defend his interm wbc belt against Jones, after wards he would move up to fight Toney at CW for the WBU belt.
                      Originally posted by frankenfrank View Post
                      And how those fights turned out for him ?
                      He didn't win all of his fights, but he gave a damned good account of himself in all of those fights, especially when you take into account that he was around his 40's at the time.
                      Originally posted by frankenfrank View Post
                      McCallum could never repeat what Hagler did against Hearns. Even if Hearns had broke both of his hands .
                      What has this got to do with anything?
                      Originally posted by frankenfrank View Post
                      Toney himself had troubles making weight for their second fight, had rough time around the time of their third fight which he won without big effort by the way and is the only uncontroversial decision in their trilogy ,
                      Toney's weight problems are irrelevant here, its his job to get in shape for his fights. McCallum won the second fight, not the third fight. He was clearly outworked in the third fight
                      Originally posted by frankenfrank View Post
                      and claiming McCallum was as good as Hagler in every department (power , anyone ? , not even chin BTW , and also not stamina)
                      He was just as good as Hagler in terms of technical ability and intangibles, Hagler may have had a bit more power, due to the fact that he was the naturally bigger man. In terms of chin he fought from jmw all the way up to cw and was never stopped. So his chin is at least as good as Hagler's.
                      Originally posted by frankenfrank View Post
                      can only come from someone who didn't see more than the Toney-McCallum trilogy and Hagler-Hearns.
                      lol
                      I've watched plenty of Hagler and McCallum fights, including that Hagler fight where he lost to a retired ww, who was doing lines of coke during his training camp.

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