Teen Legally Euthanised After ****

[bigjavi973]

I have a better idea....


castration for those rapist!

[Eff Pandas]

Probably not "easy" in the sense that they were flippant about it, but when an industry knows they have this assisted suicide wildcard in their back pocket, I have to question what their incentives are to treat patients to the fullest of their ability. This argument was made for patients suffering from fatal diseases as well. If doctors know assisted suicide is an option, what is the incentive to pursue advanced treatment and seek cures to some of these diseases?

I believe doctors take an oath that requires then to have a certain ethics with how they work & treat people. Now maybe there is a lot of cats who don't follow that these days in various ways & with how the racket of medicine & health care in the US, but I'd hope they have a more enlightened outlook on it in other countries & seemingly with how other countries make more effort to take care of their citizens I tend to believe this is more true than its false outside the US & specifically in the Netherlands.

I do think that if someone is Stage 4 terminal and no chance for a recovery that they should be allowed to pull their own plug, but in the case of this young girl, I feel like there could have been more they could have done. It may have involved more suffering on the front end, but with her entire life ahead of her I feel as though something could have changed or some form of treatment could have helped.

I'd hope everyone would see the good intentions of ending suffering over prolonging pain when the result is basically decided with a medical condition like stage 4 cancer as you bring up these days. If people wanna fight til the end fair play, if people want to tap out on the losing battle they are in, fair play. Dealers choice when the game is decided imo.

I don't disagree this situation is a bit more convoluted since we can't see this girls pain in the same way we can see the pain of someone in the deep stages of cancer or other illnesses & there is a finish line that we can see or envision better. But I still don't see the reasoning behind making someone live who's decided they don't want to who's of sound mind. Even if she didn't have the pain of these ****s to contend with if she's showing no evidence of being "crazy" or whatever why are we forcing someone to live at a certain point? So for that reason I see this as more cut & dry when she is suffering, people agree she's suffering & they can't help her.

I mean maybe they find some cure for her issue tomorrow & this seems like a bigger loss for that reason, but thats always in play with the stage 4 cancer people & the people with other diseases who've decided they'd prefer to end the suffering vs prolong the pain. These decisions are a line drawn in the sand that the people who've made the decision have decided is the end of the line on their suffering. And I think people should be given that freedom of choice to make to have some control of their own existence or the end of their existence as we know it.

I'd like to see allowances made like this in the US medical system & I suspect at some point it is adopted.

[Mighty_Windir]

I don’t understand why anyone would want to be euthanised for this, it’s a strange scenario.

I wish she didn't do it.

They didn't give her the help she needed, I wish I had a couple of hours to talk to her...I would have done my best to convince her to give life a chance.

[billeau2]

Shameful. She should have been committed and all resources should have been exhausted...medication, shock therapy, etc. It's getting too easy for people to give up, especially when they allow children as young as 12 years old to be voluntarily euthanized.

Godamn sick individuals, this is a travesty! A travesty!! I can't believe what goes for ethical and rational thinking... and its a certain attitude one finds in so called enlightened Europeans. It burns my @33 to no end...

There was the Danish sociopath head of a zoo and a gaggle of giraffes. So they raise this animal in captivity, and the sociopath says "he is not fit to breed we must kill him." People hear this and volunteer to take this animal and raise it on a farm but this b@5tard tells them no! I must kill this animal.

And what does this B@5tard do? He proclaims that he is going to have an event where he will chop the animal up for the group (of school kids) and feed it to the lions. The B@5tard who gets his jollies from animal abuse tells everyone that kids need to see how nature works... Like nature takes a healthy animal, and cuts it up for the merryment of others.

Same crap here. People decide that it is some how mature and enlightening to let a person make decisions...same attitude of " we are logical people willing to make the hard decisions, and don't get in our way!" Someone should tell these idiots that 17 year olds have the brains of children more than adults.

You want to see how charitable these people are regarding their desire to let people make decisions on their own? Try interfering with the killing in progress. Oh man this just kills me.

Sorry Ghost it is not you lol, this issue drives me nuts, it is so irresponsible. I would love to see that Zoo Keeper and have a few minutes with him, and a talk about Jesus as I rearranged his face. I would love to tell these people they are sociopaths encouraging a young person with a still developing capacity for independence to take a life.

[billeau2]

This sounds weird as f#ck, but its hard to grasp the pain other people have to endure or if its "worth it" for them to have to endure it cuz maybe you think you could or would endure the same pain in their shoes.

Its more complicated cuz she's so young, but ultimately I think you're as capable as you'll ever be of making your own decisions at a younger age then currently allowed in the US so I say fair play despite feeling some uncomfortableness at the idea of a 17 year old being legally killed.

I have two boys, one 22 one 16 and even the boys at that age have times when they say things that demonstrate a lot of angst. Girls are much more liable in this respect. If you read the stories about this girl you will notice little things Eff: For example, she wrote a book, she loves animals and has friends therefore has the capacity to love... This means she can feel joy.

This should raise a red flag. This girl may be doing this for attention, 17 year olds often do this kind of thing for these reasons. Nobody can even know what anyone thinks... the therapist and parents included. We are not equipt to judge whether someone should be allowed, as a child, to make a decision like this. This girl is manipulative and has manipulated her parents and therapist... thats what it sounds like to me.

[Eff Pandas]

If you read the stories about this girl you will notice little things Eff: For example, she wrote a book, she loves animals and has friends therefore has the capacity to love... This means she can feel joy.

I've honestly read zero on this, outside of the OP's info, to know if there is any particular holes in this whole thing with her & have been talking about primarily as a general concept I should admit.

But idk that feeling insufferable pain & having the capacity to love or do things pre-deciding to die is mutually exclusive. The guy with stage 4 cancer could wanna die to end his pain while still loving his family & friends & still derive joys from the life he does have remaining. I see the same elements being involved here potentially.

Again this IS different since its not a situation that would be expected to end in death, but I'd argue the pain she's suffering from is whats in play more than the worse case scenario of the issues she's suffering from.

Largely I think the thing here is, besides her age, that people don't really grasp non-physical pain as much of a problem for themselves or others ("just suck it up you *****" type mindset) + how much it can lower quality of life cuz they haven't really dealt with it for a prolonged time or to the severity like this girl likely has.

This should raise a red flag. This girl may be doing this for attention, 17 year olds often do this kind of thing for these reasons. Nobody can even know what anyone thinks... the therapist and parents included. We are not equipt to judge whether someone should be allowed, as a child, to make a decision like this. This girl is manipulative and has manipulated her parents and therapist... thats what it sounds like to me.

But at a certain point you just gotta believe someone to help them in situations like this. What are doctors supposed to do hook people up to lie detectors or something to make sure they are giving them all their symptoms & ailments? And I mean if she wanted to kill herself just for attention idk that this turned out all that well for her cuz once you're dead you aren't getting anymore attention.

To me if this was about attention we wouldn't be talking about it cuz she'd still be alive dangling "I wanna kill myself" onto her family & friends so they could tell her how important she is to them & blah blah blah rinse & repeat over the next several years or until she's found a new or better way to get attention.

[billeau2]

I've honestly read zero on this, outside of the OP's info, to know if there is any particular holes in this whole thing with her & have been talking about primarily as a general concept I should admit.

But idk that feeling insufferable pain & having the capacity to love or do things pre-deciding to die is mutually exclusive. The guy with stage 4 cancer could wanna die to end his pain while still loving his family & friends & still derive joys from the life he does have remaining. I see the same elements being involved here potentially.

Again this IS different since its not a situation that would be expected to end in death, but I'd argue the pain she's suffering from is whats in play more than the worse case scenario of the issues she's suffering from.

Largely I think the thing here is, besides her age, that people don't really grasp non-physical pain as much of a problem for themselves or others ("just suck it up you *****" type mindset) + how much it can lower quality of life cuz they haven't really dealt with it for a prolonged time or to the severity like this girl likely has.



But at a certain point you just gotta believe someone to help them in situations like this. What are doctors supposed to do hook people up to lie detectors or something to make sure they are giving them all their symptoms & ailments? And I mean if she wanted to kill herself just for attention idk that this turned out all that well for her cuz once you're dead you aren't getting anymore attention.

To me if this was about attention we wouldn't be talking about it cuz she'd still be alive dangling "I wanna kill myself" onto her family & friends so they could tell her how important she is to them & blah blah blah rinse & repeat over the next several years or until she's found a new or better way to get attention.

I agree with this. MY rejoinder would be what I call the "Brains all over the sidewalk" argument... It goes like this: We should have an open mind, but at a certain point when our minds are too open? our brains will fall out and hit the sidewalk with a humpty dumpty splatter.

How this plays out in this case is, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, but to me a 17 year old girl, changing everyday, with hormones racing, etc, is going too far. I actually did have a chance to work in mental health for a while and I was always one of the guys sticking up for the patients: "Maybe its true doc, maybe he has a point." I just think the age thing has to be considered here.

I also do not know enough details of this situation, so we are all just able to process what is available to us. I see your point, and I do respect our right to free will. You can see why in this case? I have some real concerns though.

[Eff Pandas]

I agree with this. MY rejoinder would be what I call the "Brains all over the sidewalk" argument... It goes like this: We should have an open mind, but at a certain point when our minds are too open? our brains will fall out and hit the sidewalk with a humpty dumpty splatter.

How this plays out in this case is, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, but to me a 17 year old girl, changing everyday, with hormones racing, etc, is going too far. I actually did have a chance to work in mental health for a while and I was always one of the guys sticking up for the patients: "Maybe its true doc, maybe he has a point." I just think the age thing has to be considered here.

I also do not know enough details of this situation, so we are all just able to process what is available to us. I see your point, and I do respect our right to free will. You can see why in this case? I have some real concerns though.

The age is the main issue with it that makes me question my own stance (if she was 39 or some sh^t it'd be much easier), but then I think how bs this whole concept of you become an adult at some certain age marker in your life is. This 18 & 21 adult threshold is silly sh^t that makes lil sense as some arbitrary line that you become capable of making your own decisions & have to embrace your own failures finally or w/e.

I don't buy there is some specific point we all become adults. I think we are all incompetent to varying levels in various fields all our lives. Some people suck at relationships from 12 to 90. Some people suck at money from 12 to 90. Some people mature quicker than others. Some people always seem behind. Some people mature through mistakes. Some people seem attracted to making the same mistakes for several years if not their entire lives.

I don't believe age to be as important to ones development AT A CERTAIN level & if one has a certain independence that can for sure be gained before they are 17 years old in many cases. Granted the younger you go the more difficult it is to expect one to have a certain level of maturity so idk if this girl was 12 (as is apparently their youngest age of making this decision to end their life is) I'd be feeling the same confidence about allowing this.

[Worick]

Danm thats ****in sad. Poor girl

[AlexKid]

Reminds me of that supreme gentleman kid who killed himself over not getting enough poon, a pathetic waste, ****** girl, people kill themselves over the most trivial crap, its just one of those things that happens rarely but still happens, people suicide over a break up, because they are ugly and so on.

There are people desperate for life and will die struggling to keep it, and a near "infinite" amount of matter in the universe that does not turn into a living form, if you throw away your life over spilt milk you are re.tarded.

TOO FCUKING BAD

(The Dr put his finger in my ********, I didnt want it in there, I got over it in about half an hour, so should she)