Mass shooting at Thousand Oaks

[Boxfan83]

Vlad will blame Chicago and the 13%

[Larry the boss]

Vlad will blame Chicago and the 13%

I really do not get why people turn a blind eye to this and focus on even more murders like that makes these not a big deal...This is becoming a weekly trend and I do not get it..this isnt gang ****ers or drug deals it is just random shootings

[Boxfan83]

True but thats not the intentions.

With Mass shooting that is the sole intentions.




IM gonna need to see hard date on this before I can vouch.

I agree 110% with the bolded. The motive isn't clear yet BUT its not like he went to target specific people or a group.

[man down]

Looks like Ex Marine "PTSD" He was white

[1bad65]

Not in the court of law. We are a society of laws and are govern by these laws and these laws say INTENTIONS is everything.

Non sequitur.

When you are shot dead, you are dead regardless of the intentions of the shooter, or any legal consequences he may suffer.

Reason why mass shooters get charged with hate crimes and terriost charges and gang ****ers don't because the intentions determine the actual cause of the crimes.

Another non sequitur.

Watch the fallacy, please.

We havent agreed that Gang killing and mass shootings are the same thing. So given that I said show me the hard data that proves it.

Do what?!?!

I never said they were the same thing.

I'm simply looking at body counts. Period.

All I care about are the numbers.

You brought up that, remember?

here is the hard data I have on Mass shootings and guess what Chicago doenst match up.

Chicago had 650 muders total in 2017

Again, you're cherry-picking.

I'm counting ALL shootings.

You are trying to cherry-pich which shootings count and which do not.

Sorry, not gonna work.

Dead is dead.


But you did give a hard number, so that's good.

650 for Chicago in 2017.

Now add up all the deaths in these publicized mass shootings in 2017. The number will fall well under 650.

I'll guarantee that.


And that's JUST Chicago. You start adding in the other D cities I cited and the gap grows even further.

It is what it is, and the numbers are beyond dispute.

[1bad65]

Dead is dead and the intention is a moot point? C'mon 1bad65, I know you like to argue your point but I know you really don't believe that. If that were the case prosecutors should ignore finding motives and the law should do away with degrees of murder.

We arent talking about the legal system (and you make a valid point there, though its moot to this discussion).

Mikey brought up odds and such of being the victim of a shooting, not the legalities.

He did pivot to the legalities, once I showed the numbers blew his argument out of the water.

[man down]

[Boxfan83]

I really do not get why people turn a blind eye to this and focus on even more murders like that makes these not a big deal...This is becoming a weekly trend and I do not get it..this isnt gang ****ers or drug deals it is just random shootings

Fear mongering is real. Instead of being a proactive nation we have turned into a very defensive (tit for tat) country.

[man down]

Fear mongering is real. Instead of being a proactive nation we have turned into a very defensive (tit for tat) country.

They were going to call cops for a 5150 but didnt. Hes said that he had "PTSD".

[Boxfan83]

His shooting badge is Expert although he chose the cowardly way and shot in a room full of people.