Why is '*******' so often used as a derogatory term around here?

[SkillspayBills]

It actually has nothing to do with this forum. The ********** propganda outfit is.......powerful. Over countless years and decades they have sullied the word ******* to the point it is a derogatory word. It honestly has been fascinating how they could take a signle word and turn it into something so negative most former "********" starting calling themselves progressives. Though I believe the two are not one in the same.

[takingaim]

It actually has nothing to do with this forum. The ********** propganda outfit is.......powerful. Over countless years and decades they have sullied the word ******* to the point it is a derogatory word. It honestly has been fascinating how they could take a signle work and turn it into something so negative most former "********" starting calling themselves progressives. Though I believe the two are not one in the same.

The Left have made it a dirty word themselves. So-called '********' today aren't even *******. They have no idea what they stand for. They're the most confused people on the planet.

[SkillspayBills]

The Left have made it a dirty word themselves. So-called '********' today aren't even *******. They have no idea what they stand for. They're the most confused people on the planet.

This is very true, but the same goes for so called "*************". They talk a good game but once it comes governing time they act the way they really are CORPORATISTS. They are all beholden to whoever is paying their campaigns.

[takingaim]

The hidden hand...

[StarshipTrooper]

**********s are dumb, and you aren't as smart as you're pretending to be.

You came up with an alt just to post THAT?

[MBE]

For one, not every company is publicly traded, therefore no worries about shareholders to the extent you keep harping on about. But that's besides the point. Public institutions are flawed by their vary nature....the money/capital to fund it doesn't come out of their pockets, but your generic tax payer. That's why there is little concern about waste. In a private setting, if you waste resources and don't do anything about it...you get eliminated. When a public institution has wasteful spending, they just get bigger and get more funds to waste.

Just as you correctly pointed out not every company is subject to shareholders, so to that not every public company is subject to crippling waste that will make them inefficient. Not that I expect you to be able to see the world in shades other than black and white as the following post reflects:

What facts? You gave a personal anecdote of why you like the public system. KEYWORD: Personal. No offense....but I take what a public teacher says on these matters with a grain of salt, especially one who is ideologically committed. Being honest....teachers [particularly here in the U.S.] don't work hard....they become teacher to avoid real work. I know you'd say other wise...but it's the truth.

This is where I gave up taking anything you said too seriously. You continue to make sweeping, unsupported generalizations on a profession you know nothing about. "But it's the truth", whatever that's supposed to mean I don't know, trying using facts and evidence before declaring something a truth.

Newsflash: Everybody is greedy. Here is an analogy: Universities/Colleges are greedy and want profits and they charge high tuition rates. But why do they charge so high? Because there are Govt. guaranteed student loans and grants given out to young people...which they only have to worry about paying back after graduation. Take away the guaranteed student loans and the Universities greed for profit is kept in check. They would have to slash tuition rates or else they would have to close their doors as nobody would be able to afford going to their schools. The Free Market laws are being distorted with student loans.

The first sentence is mostly incorrect. If humans were inherently greedy then people wouldn't give money to charity. They wouldn't volunteer to help in their communities.

Secondly I agree reform is needed to the structure of university loans, but I can't get over the fact that simply abolishing them would solve the problem. It wouldn't. Coming from a low income background I for one could not afford to go at any cost without a loan to cover tuition fees and living costs.

The U.S. is supposed to be a Republic...not a pure Democracy. That's what we need. I don't like Democracy. What good is it to not have a Tyrant when there is a tyranny of the majority. A 'useful idiots' vote who knows very little counts just as much as someones who is well informed. I don't like pure Democracy. In either case...we're getting it your way. We've given and given, what more do you want? 17 trillion in debt with a ever increasing welfare state, govt jobs etc. There is NO middle...we'rew way past the middle point. We need to reverse course and do so fast.

Look you're not going to get your cause anywhere by going around preaching you hate democracy. So in that case I don't blame you for sticking to arguing with a public school teacher on a boxing forum.

[One_Tycoon]

Just as you correctly pointed out not every company is subject to shareholders, so to that not every public company is subject to crippling waste that will make them inefficient. Not that I expect you to be able to see the world in shades other than black and white as the following post reflects:

But we cannot equate the two. They're not on the same level. The private sector funds the public sector, therefore Private > Public. You said "not every Public company" is wasteful...therefore you're acknowledging that there are many in the public sector who are wasteful. That's unacceptable when the private sector is picking up the tab. There are so many public sector institutions that need to be abolished...I feel like a kid in a candy store just thinking about which ones should get rid of first.

This is where I gave up taking anything you said too seriously. You continue to make sweeping, unsupported generalizations on a profession you know nothing about. "But it's the truth", whatever that's supposed to mean I don't know, trying using facts and evidence before declaring something a truth.

This part isn't gonna get us anywhere. I have no use or respect for the Public school system as I'm opposed to it. I disagree with it on the basis that's it's not Free market Capitalism oriented. A lot of teachers need to be fired and sent packing to the private sector to produce and get a real goods producing job instead of brainwashing young minds with govt. approved curriculum, while waiting for their Private sector funded, pension to kick in. It's good job security I suppose....but that's not our priority.

The first sentence is mostly incorrect. If humans were inherently greedy then people wouldn't give money to charity. They wouldn't volunteer to help in their communities.

You're mistakenly confusing my statement about greed as some kind of pejorative. It's not. Greed = self-interest. How many people live a complete Altruistic life? But it's a leftist fallacy to believe that good things can't happen from Greed/self-interest. Greedy people give to charities. Thanks for pointing out that private voluntarism via charitable giving works. That's a big component in a Free Market system. In fact...charity is always recommended and preferred over a centrally planned, govt. funded solution. People would actually give more if they knew that the govt wasn't gonna step in and give on their behalf [usually being wasteful as well with tax payers money].

Secondly I agree reform is needed to the structure of university loans, but I can't get over the fact that simply abolishing them would solve the problem. It wouldn't. Coming from a low income background I for one could not afford to go at any cost without a loan to cover tuition fees and living costs

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There was a time in U.S. history not too long ago, where all you needed is a summer job to pay for your tuition. That's how affordable it was. Our grandparents know all about this. The invisible hand of The Free market at work. Things changed when opportunistic, sleazebag politicians realized that they could grab some votes for giving students "free" education [Why bother working and going to school. Don't worry about it... here is a govt backed loan. Vote for me!] that the prices started inflating to the point that you depended on these govt loans and grants.

Of course even then not everybody could afford to go for one isolated reason or another...but that's a good thing. Not every body needs to go to college. We already have a surplus of graduates with no job prospects. [a lot of them picked the wrong major so it's their fault] Plenty of them are washing dishes at a restaurants and bartending right now. They didn't need a degree for that.

Look you're not going to get your cause anywhere by going around preaching you hate democracy. So in that case I don't blame you for sticking to arguing with a public school teacher on a boxing forum.

Yes...it's a Boxing forum, I realize that. I'm not running for political office...so I'm too terribly worried about it. Since we're at it I might as well add that we need less people voting in our elections anyway, because the vast majority of voters are either uninformed or want/expect their free stuff from the govt. They sure aren't voting to be left alone and to not get their earnings taxed.

[DARKSEID]

Lower forms of humans, yes.

I consider even the ant my equal.

[One_Tycoon]

Capitalist bump. Showing sharp shooter how it's done.

[rorymac]

Capitalist bump. Showing sharp shooter how it's done.

As though the thread is anti-Capitalist?