Man kills masked teen, learns it's his son

[rich6666]

Any update? This thread reminds me of a previous thread where a shop keeper defended his shop by killing a attacker dead. What ever happened in that case?

[talip bin osman]

what a heart breaker...

[Rk16]

I heard the son was actually adopted 2 years ago and things could be a lot more sinister than first reported

[squealpiggy]

In defense of Piglet, it seemed like he was pointing out there is some sort of cultural difference that makes Americans unique (not in a good way) hwen it comes to gun ownership, and violence, rather than just simply owning guns.

It is. The US have a bizarre obsession with the myth of the frontier and this has led to an unnecessary gun culture. Owning guns isn't the issue. It's the approach to gun ownership that sends people a little wacky. In Canada if you own guns you need a fixed gun safe for your weapons and a fixed ammunition case on a separate floor if you have the room. Guns are stored separately from ammunition and always locked in a bid to prevent easy access. Guns are also strictly licensed. If someone with a gun license gets divorced for example the spouse is interviewed to check the mental state of the ex. Make sure they're not going to show up with their guns and blow the family's brains out.

I can't say I disagree with that; in fact, I agree completely: Something is wrong with Americans when it comes to guns. And it's NOT owning them. As other countries have shown with high per capita gun ownership rate, owning more guns does not equal more violence.

It's the attitude to gun use that is different. Nowhere else do people concoct such elaborate justifications for gun use. There isn't just a fear of being victimised, there's also a fantasy of heroism involving firearms. This has the knock-on effect of making criminals fear heroes so they arm themselves leading to more fear and more hero fantasies.

I disagree with Piglet on this situation, though. Unless other details emerge, it seems the father was right here. 1 AM, ski mask, guy trying to get in your daughter's house? Comes at you with something that looks like a weapon (could have even been a gun, for all he knew).

It's not fair to say what he should have done in this situation, because we were not there.

Oh his actions once he found himself in that situation were justified. It's just that in almost every other Western country he wouldn't have found himself in that situation because in most other Western countries there isn't the culture of violence that you have in the USA.

[UglyPug]

It is. The US have a bizarre obsession with the myth of the frontier and this has led to an unnecessary gun culture. Owning guns isn't the issue. It's the approach to gun ownership that sends people a little wacky. In Canada if you own guns you need a fixed gun safe for your weapons and a fixed ammunition case on a separate floor if you have the room. Guns are stored separately from ammunition and always locked in a bid to prevent easy access. Guns are also strictly licensed. If someone with a gun license gets divorced for example the spouse is interviewed to check the mental state of the ex. Make sure they're not going to show up with their guns and blow the family's brains out.



It's the attitude to gun use that is different. Nowhere else do people concoct such elaborate justifications for gun use. There isn't just a fear of being victimised, there's also a fantasy of heroism involving firearms. This has the knock-on effect of making criminals fear heroes so they arm themselves leading to more fear and more hero fantasies.



Oh his actions once he found himself in that situation were justified. It's just that in almost every other Western country he wouldn't have found himself in that situation because in most other Western countries there isn't the culture of violence that you have in the USA.

I agree with everything here.

My dad owned some handguns, and a some rifles, and *******s, and they were all locked up in a hidden safe in my parent's closet. I never even knew he had the handguns until I got older. Now these are my guns, and I keep them locked up at my mom's house.

Our culture isn't going to change overnight, but I do think more regulations, etc. should be implicated to try to lessen the problem.