Ahmaud Arbery's killers sentenced to life in prison, two with No Chance of Parole.

[travestyny]

Not the same situation at all. In one case you got a kid chased down by men with guns in pickup trucks, he wasn't going to escape. In an act of panicked desperation, I assume, Arbery charges one of the men, grabs his gun and is killed trying to get control of it.

In the other case an angry kid appears to choose a fight over making an easy escape. I can't believe he would make that same choice if Zimmerman were waving his gun around. I don't believe Zimmerman had his gun out before it got physical.

I also don't believe there's much chance that Zimmerman is going to initiate anything physical. He's short and fat and is carrying a gun for that very reason.

You can believe what ever you like, there isn't solid proof one way or another.

I find it odd that you'd believe Z wouldn't initiate anything physical because he's short and fat, "which is why he is carrying a gun." Yet believe he didn't have his gun out, though being short and fat would likely be reason to quickly pull his gun.

And you assume "an angry kid chose a fight over making an escape" when it's well known he ran from this dude. That doesn't sound like he chose to fight. That sounds like he chose to run away and even stated flat out that he thought he lost the guy. So obviously he chose to make an escape but he was still pursued.


You're welcome to your opinion as well. It just doesn't seem to add up very well.

[4truth]

I find it odd that you'd believe Z wouldn't initiate anything physical because he's short and fat, "which is why he is carrying a gun." Yet believe he didn't have his gun out, though being short and fat would likely be reason to quickly pull his gun.

And you assume "an angry kid chose a fight over making an escape" when it's well known he ran from this dude. That doesn't sound like he chose to fight. That sounds like he chose to run away and even stated flat out that he thought he lost the guy. So obviously he chose to make an escape but he was still pursued.


You're welcome to your opinion as well. It just doesn't seem to add up very well.

How did short fat Zimmerman run Travon down if Travon ran? Also, if Zimmerman had his gun out, why did he wait to be knocked down and beaten up to fire the gun?

did Travon just ignore the gun and instead decide to bounce Zimmerman’s head on the pavement instead of controlling it?

none of this adds up to me but If you don’t even see reasonable doubt, then you don’t.

[travestyny]

How did short fat Zimmerman run Travon down if Travon ran? Also, if Zimmerman had his gun out, why did he wait to be knocked down and beaten up to fire the gun?

did Travon just ignore the gun and instead decide to bounce Zimmerman’s head on the pavement instead of controlling it?

none of this adds up to me but If you don’t even see reasonable doubt, then you don’t.

You are the one who said he was short and fat, right? We know for a fact that he ran after the kid.

He could have reached for the gun, he could have hesitated to fire. Any scenario is possible. Just as with the McMichaels. Right? I don't know why you would believe he is an angel when he followed around a kid for "walking while black." That's what happened, right?

Why would he ignore the gun? Did Arbury ignore the gun? I'm sure the kid feared for his life. But you guys would be happy to make a kid who was being stalked by a psycho with a gun as a big bad aggressive thug looking for a fight so badly that he ran and tried to lose the guy.


He did run away from the guy and stated that he thought he lost him, right? Didn't that happen?



Go look at the police affidavit if you need some assistance.

AFFIDAVIT: Trayvon Martin Tried To Run Home, But George Zimmerman Chased Him Down

Or if you know more about this than the police who investigated because you were there (or because your biases act as a special sense of what happened) then I guess you have it all figured out.

[4truth]

You are the one who said he was short and fat, right? We know for a fact that he ran after the kid.

He could have reached for the gun, he could have hesitated to fire. Any scenario is possible. Just as with the McMichaels. Right? I don't know why you would believe he is an angel when he followed around a kid for "walking while black." That's what happened, right?

Why would he ignore the gun? Did Arbury ignore the gun? I'm sure the kid feared for his life. But you guys would be happy to make a kid who was being stalked by a psycho with a gun as a big bad aggressive thug looking for a fight so badly that he ran and tried to lose the guy.


He did run away from the guy and stated that he thought he lost him, right? Didn't that happen?



Go look at the police affidavit if you need some assistance.




Or if you know more about this than the police who investigated because you were there (or because your biases act as a special sense of what happened) then I guess you have it all figured out.

That isn’t a police affidavit. That is a statement of probable cause filed by the state attorney Angela Corey. Essentially what you are reading there is what she says she is going to try to prove.

read about Angela Corey if you have some time. You’re going to hate her worse than Zimmerman. Anyway, an affidavit from Angela Corey is not evidence, nothing like it. To be fair, it isn’t meant to be.

[travestyny]

That isn’t a police affidavit. That is a statement of probable cause filed by the state attorney Angela Corey. Essentially what you are reading there is what she says she is going to try to prove.

read about Angela Corey if you have some time. You’re going to hate her worse than Zimmerman. Anyway, an affidavit from Angela Corey is not evidence, nothing like it. To be fair, it isn’t meant to be.

Read where she got the information from. Two investigators. Each with 35 years or over of police experience and 20 years or more homicide investigation experience. However, I will stand corrected that it's not a police affidavit.

[4truth]

Read where she got the information from. Two investigators.

You don’t understand the system.

[travestyny]

You don’t understand the system.

Sure I do. Investigators with over 20 years homicide experience were assigned to look into what happened and they came back with those details. Unless you are saying that they are lying. And if they are lying, then what's the point of an affidavit?

Should we default to they are lying because they have bias against Zimmerman?

[4truth]

Sure I do. Investigators with over 20 years experience were assigned to look into what happened and they came back with those details. Unless you are saying that they are lying. And if they are lying, then what's the point of an affidavit?

She never said anyone said those things. That was a statement of cause to bring charges. She was simply telling a judge what she was going to try to prove.

if the investigators said those things, where is their testimony?

[travestyny]

She never said anyone said those things. That was a statement of cause to bring charges. She was simply telling a judge what she was going to try to prove.

if the investigators said those things, where is their testimony?

Bro. It's an affidavit. They are the Affiants. They are under oath. Look at the statement.


Again, they are the affiants. "Zimmerman disregarded the police dispatcher and continued to follow Martin who was trying to return home. Zimmerman confronted Martin."


It says it right there.


Look whose signature is on the affidavit. The affiants. Investigators O'Steen and Gilbreath.

[4truth]

Bro. It's an affidavit. They are the Affiants. They are under oath. Look at the statement.


Again, they are the affiants. "Zimmerman disregarded the police dispatcher and continued to follow Martin who was trying to return home. Zimmerman confronted Martin."


It says it right there.

That statement of cause affidavit is not evidence. That is what you are not understanding. If any or all of the affidavit were proven true, you would be well on your way to a conviction. That is the point of a statement of cause. If the statement of cause doesn’t add up to a conviction, then charges would not have even been brought.