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    #11
    Originally posted by Syf View Post
    Pushup pull ups running heavy bag

    Out of the four...heavy bag is the most power and strength building. If you have a good heavy bag session... it develops your power..core..legs arms and chest. Its a full body workout done right.

    Not a big believer in any weights. Muscle built from weightlifting is too tight to be effective. Should concentrate on building muscle for what you want to do. Intuitively... this means build your muscle DOING what you want to do.

    If you want to lift a boulder. Lift weights... if you want to fight..build muscle training to fight.
    I disagree on the weights aspect. You can't really get too much stronger by using your own bodyweight and doing your calisthenics. They get you your endurance and weights get you power. If you utilize a lot of stretching with lifting weights you maintain your flexibility and looseness.

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      #12
      Originally posted by PitbullParsons View Post
      I disagree on the weights aspect. You can't really get too much stronger by using your own bodyweight and doing your calisthenics. They get you your endurance and weights get you power. If you utilize a lot of stretching with lifting weights you maintain your flexibility and looseness.
      Well we are getting into theory here but if you have muscle mass primarily from weightlifting you have to retune that muscle mass from what it was originally purposed for as you go. This creates disharmony in your form.

      If you can do 100-125 pushup consecutively with good form.. 20-25 pull ups wgf.. run say...5-8 miles... and have 2 to 2 1/2 hours heavy bag sessions .... you will have all the muscle mass you need to fight.. I defy anyone to tell me different, it's an age old formula and it works. Most importantly it's a muscle who's singular purpose is to fight.

      Efficiency.

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        #13
        Originally posted by PitbullParsons View Post
        Defensive much? It was a safe assumption that someone who can't do 20 f@cking push ups hasn't been training long. The conditioning from having 84 fights alone should give you the ability to **** out 20 ffs. Like I said, work on your technique. You clearly need to work on the basics like your ground work. If you plan on going pro and are content with your technique then you won't go too far. You need to thrive for excellence and continually try to improve. Worry about your damn lack of conditioning before your power.
        I was under estimating. I can do 50 full ones straight but I don't do it regularly. My conditioning is great I work hard but I just don't do the strength training as much and that's what I maybe need to do. I am striving hence why I'm asking what the best ones are.

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          #14
          Originally posted by ironalex View Post
          I was under estimating. I can do 50 full ones straight but I don't do it regularly. My conditioning is great I work hard but I just don't do the strength training as much and that's what I maybe need to do. I am striving hence why I'm asking what the best ones are.
          You are ultimately looking for more power in your punches, yes? Or do you want more strength in the clinch or something?

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            #15
            Originally posted by Syf View Post
            You are ultimately looking for more power in your punches, yes? Or do you want more strength in the clinch or something?
            To be honest both. I'm very good technically and have great defence etc but I'd like to hit harder and have more physical strebgth

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              #16
              If you can do 50 pushups straight then do several sets of 50 throughout the day.

              Shoot for a total of anywhere from 250 to 500 reps. Work up to those numbers slowly though so you don't injure yourself or run into tendinitis issues.

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                #17
                Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post
                If you can do 50 pushups straight then do several sets of 50 throughout the day.

                Shoot for a total of anywhere from 250 to 500 reps. Work up to those numbers slowly though so you don't injure yourself or run into tendinitis issues.
                Thanks man

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by ironalex View Post
                  To be honest both. I'm very good technically and have great defence etc but I'd like to hit harder and have more physical strebgth
                  Well power is more about technique...you can add explosiveness and strength with pushup and pull ups most def..

                  I personally use a couple little websites...they give you rep schedules and such.. its very easy to follow

                  Hundredpushups dot Com

                  And

                  20pullups dot com

                  I would start with pushups, though you can run a couple programs together in tandem. To get to 100 consecutive you'll need to be doing more in reps of course. The program feels real good to follow. There are also sites for dips and squats, may have been 100-150 dips consecutive and 300 consecutive, respectively, I don't remember... I just mainly run the pushup and pull up programs.. and road work.

                  But for power, as I said, that is improved through hundreds of hours on the h. Bag... , that can really be the cutting room floor of your entire power technique..where you can try things to eke out the most effective and efficient power delivery possible...

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Syf View Post
                    Well we are getting into theory here but if you have muscle mass primarily from weightlifting you have to retune that muscle mass from what it was originally purposed for as you go. This creates disharmony in your form.

                    If you can do 100-125 pushup consecutively with good form.. 20-25 pull ups wgf.. run say...5-8 miles... and have 2 to 2 1/2 hours heavy bag sessions .... you will have all the muscle mass you need to fight.. I defy anyone to tell me different, it's an age old formula and it works. Most importantly it's a muscle who's singular purpose is to fight.

                    Efficiency.
                    There's a difference between strength training with weights and putting on muscle mass. If you are strength training for boxing you would do roughly 60% of your max for a high rep. This builds strength without bulking up too much. If you are doing this in conjunction with your boxing training then you won't have any issues provided you aren't slacking on your boxing training. Weights in boxing are ALWAYS supplementary and never a main focus.

                    As for everything you said about being all the muscle mass you need to fight, nobody denied that, but you can only add so much strength that way. The average boxer training maxes himself out on strength via those methods. As I said before, you are mainly training muscle endurance at that point.

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                      #20
                      Chopping Trees or Sledge Hammer on a tie is a good workout for explosive power.

                      Otherwise 6-8 explosive push ups (clap or double clap)
                      1:30 minutes break 6 reps.

                      Work with a resistance Band and do straight punches

                      Do Uppercut with extra weight.

                      Work on the Heavywork hard punches only.

                      Improve your technique to fully twist your hips ( watch video GGG working with his trainer on hooks and look how perfect he throws a power hook)

                      Work on legs and core that will improve your power a lot

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