I have a question

[boxingnut712]

Through out the years we have seen fighters like James Toney, Felix Trinidad, Shane Mosley, and Arturo Gatti fight in weight classes below their natural weight. They would deplete themselves 15, 20, and in some cases 30 pounds, and in the 27 - 30 hours between the weigh in, and the actual fight they would rehydrate themselves 12, 15, 20, and even 25 pounds.

Now we have here lets just call him fighter X. Fighter X starts his training camp at 160 pounds, and sweats down all the way 140 pounds. Fighter X struggles, but he just makes the 140 LB contract weight limit. Now in the next night Fighter X only rehydrates himself 4 -5 pounds at best.

My question is simple. Is it possible to sweat down all that way, and only rehydrate yourself 4, or 5 pounds?

I don't think that this is possible. I think the guy would have at least put on 10 easy. No drugs, or medicines are involved here.

I have heard stories of Rid**** Bowe in his rematch with Andrew Golota depleting a lot of weight, and Muhammad Ali depleting a lot of weight to fight Larry Holmes, but in those two cases they used Metabolism medications.

I have heard stories of Oscar De La Hoya depleting himself of significant weight to make 147 LBs to fight Manny Pacquiao to which De La Hoya could only rehydrate himself 2 pounds, but in this instance the word ******* also gets thrown around.

I am talking doing this without medicine, or drugs.

[Beercules]

Bunch of bums.

[boxingnut712]

Bunch of bums.

That is nice, but it really does not answer my question at all about fighter X whom claims to have done this the last fight of his career at the age of 34.

[PsychoJim]

That is nice, but it really does not answer my question at all about fighter X whom claims to have done this the last fight of his career at the age of 34.

Why don't you just name him? You're an anonymous internet poster on a site where people defame boxers all the time. You're not going to be sued for libel.

[boxingnut712]

Why don't you just name him? You're an anonymous internet poster on a site where people defame boxers all the time. You're not going to be sued for libel.

It was Joey Gamache, and he sues everybody, or tries to anyways. The question set aside. How does he sweat off 20 pounds to get to 140 1/4.

From the point he leaves the Commission office for a physical he walks around for 3 hours in the cold of February, has the scale calibrations adjusted, talks to HBO, and does not lose an ounce. You think he'd go to the bathroom at least once, and shed a few ounces

How does he do it? Any chance he actually was a lightweight?

[Ringo]

Rehydration miracles can occur when you have an IV and a couple of hanging bags. Or an IV line with some pre-cooled blood.

[boxingnut712]

Aren't the use of IV fluids illegal. Wasn't there just some hub bub about Mayweather using an IV before his fight with Pacquiao.

IV Fluids are not really the issue here. At the very least, I do not think Gamache used IV's because if he had he probably would have definitely put more weight on.

The issue here is could Gamache have sweated down 20 pounds, and only rehydrated a mere four pounds?

Without drugs, I say no way Gamaache would have put on at least 8 - 10 pounds, but Gamache did not.

Granted we are talking about the New York State Athletic Commission here i'd say much of anything is possible. Doctored medical record, phony drug tests, and yes even tempered with scales, and yes they did mess with the calibrations on the scale before Gatti, and his people ever showed up.

There are 4 dead bodies, and one badly mangled body of a fan from Pennsylvania who was there at the weigh that afternoon whom claims to have video recorded something, and also claims to this day that Gamache was a lightweight, however, most of the rest of the world does not agree, hence, my question without throwing out a ton of details that would amount into a small book.

[PsychoJim]

I would be more concerned with Gatti's weight than Gamache's.

[boxingnut712]

I would be more concerned with Gatti's weight than Gamache's.

No one really knows what Gatti, or De La Hoya weighed. Their weights were called before the scales had a chance to balance, and I find it odd that both could have been overweight on the same afternoon which takes me back to my question, and the possibility that Gamache was actually a lightweight when he weighed in, and the scale said 140 1/4 ?

Gatti sweated down from 170 pounds to make 141, and put 20 pounds of hydration back on the next day. How does Gamache sweat off 20 pounds from around 160, and only put 4 3/4 pounds of hydration back on?


This is my question to which you have answered everything but. I am asking this because I do not think that it is possible. I think Gamache would have put at least 8 - 10 pounds on before the fight, but he only puts on 4 3/4 pounds to weigh 145, and with gloves, tapes, and trunks he weighed 147.

If Gamache was actually 135, or 137 at the weigh in to which the scale may have been tampered with and rehydrates to 145 pounds well that is a little more heard of. If I may further dare ask:

Why is Gamache weighing himself so many times before the weigh in, and after the weigh in

[PsychoJim]

I see what you're getting at.

Have you thought that he may not have properly rehydrated?

Gamache only puts back on 5lbs, while Gatti comes in over weight anyway, rehydrating further, contributing to the devastating KO.