Loma/Lopez: If you ignore FACTS given to you, you're a coward.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I don't care that Lopez makes you feel good for talking himself into a big fight.

I don't care that your 'eye test' gets a shot he doesn't really deserve.

I also don't care that you enjoy Lopez's heart.

We need to focus on FACTS of the matter.

FACT: Lopez is a basket case that is not emotionally sound.

FACT: Lomachenko's resume destroys Lopez's.

FACT: Nagatani showed us that Lopez lacks fundamentals and an ability to stop right hands AND his power might just be overrated when you can see the punches coming.

FACT: His knockout of Commey was similar to Sergio/Williams 2. Two guys throw at the same time, one doesn't see it coming and gets caught. But Williams was eating right hands the entire fight before that. (Sound familiar?)

FACT: Lopez has a puncher's chance and that is all he has.


Now, as a fan, if you want to say "you know, I understand. Loma is likely going to dominate this kid. But I'm rooting for him anyway". Great. I respect that. I cheer for underdogs too.

If you want to say " I respect Lopez for at least taking the risk that Crawford refuses to", great. I respect that too.

But when you come at me with "he's a champ doe!" as a reason he stands a chance, and I tell you that Wilder was a champ too and got knocked spark out, and you don't say, "you know, good point" - instead it's "yeah he lost, so what doe! BLOCKED!"

Come on man. I'm hitting you with facts. Set your emotions aside. FACTS. I know you love the guy. You can still love the guy. But let's be realistic here.

Your guy is an emotional wreck. He's talking to convince himself. We saw it with Ortiz against Floyd. It's the same thing.

Did you see him talking about his dad? His dad never moved, never nodded, never anything. It's not right between them. Dad is putting pressure on this guy because Dad was upset with Loma's team and triggered this. He's fighting Dad's battle. The titles are just a secondary.

He hasn't proven anything yet. Maybe he will with a lucky shot.

But UNTIL then, you need to accept the strong possibility based on the facts that this guy is made to quit in the ring. That's all.

And if that happens, he is very likely to retire, because his Dad won't forgive him, his ego won't let him forget and it'll be another Naseem Hamed situation. And that would be a shame because he does appear to be a solid prospect, and he SHOULD have fought someone at his level first - like a Ryan Garcia or otherwise, which would have been just as exciting and a very good test for him without overwhelming him.

[NearHypnos]

I mean, Teo threw that right hand and avoided Commey’s. He knew what he was doing. Just like Sergio’s left hand on Williams. He had measured him and landed the same punch moments before then he sat on it once he realized itd land.

Lopez’s resume is largely nonexistent compared to Loma’s at this stage in his career. But he does deserve the fight. I think it’s unfair to compare Teo and Wilder. Wilder didnt have a chance against fury because he was a champ, but because he has that right hand.

Teo is a little different. He’s much younger, bigger, and noticeably more powerful. Wilder was a man in his 30s and Teo is over ten years younger trying to prove he’s a great fighter. Teo isnt a finished product and he’s potentially 5, 6, 7 years away from his prime (in terms of physical ability + experience).

He’s an underdog as he should be. But he is nowhere NEAR as limited as Wilder. Wilder was only seen as cherry picking Fury because of Fury’s prior circumstances and layoff, NOT Wilder’s skill.

I think it’s possible for Teo to win here. He’s got a few very real advantages coming in and though I don’t see him winning barring a knockout, it’s possible. Much more possible (since we have hindsight) that Teo can pull it off than Wilder imo. We havent seen the best of Teofimo yet.

Still, it’s possible. Not probable, but possible. I’m picking Loma for obvious reasons but I would NOT be surprised if Teo pulls it off and highlight reels Loma.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I mean, Teo threw that right hand and avoided Commey’s. He knew what he was doing. Just like Sergio’s left hand on Williams. He had measured him and landed the same punch moments before then he sat on it once he realized itd land.

Lopez’s resume is largely nonexistent compared to Loma’s at this stage in his career. But he does deserve the fight. I think it’s unfair to compare Teo and Wilder. Wilder didnt have a chance against fury because he was a champ, but because he has that right hand.

Teo is a little different. He’s much younger, bigger, and noticeably more powerful. Wilder was a man in his 30s and Teo is over ten years younger trying to prove he’s a great fighter. Teo isnt a finished product and he’s potentially 5, 6, 7 years away from his prime (in terms of physical ability + experience).

He’s an underdog as he should be. But he is nowhere NEAR as limited as Wilder. Wilder was only seen as cherry picking Fury because of Fury’s prior circumstances and layoff, NOT Wilder’s skill.

I think it’s possible for Teo to win here. He’s got a few very real advantages coming in and though I don’t see him winning barring a knockout, it’s possible. Much more possible (since we have hindsight) that Teo can pull it off than Wilder imo. We havent seen the best of Teofimo yet.

Still, it’s possible. Not probable, but possible. I’m picking Loma for obvious reasons but I would NOT be surprised if Teo pulls it off and highlight reels Loma.

All of which is fine, fair and granted.

My point though, is when people tell me that Lopez is some great because of his KO of Commey when the fact is, it was a shot he likely can't duplicate against anybody.

Ryan Garcia's KOs are legit because he's able to replicate highlight reel KOs every fight. He hasn't yet come across his "Nagatani" to where we can see obvious limitations.

If Lopez had never fought Nagatani, I wouldn't be so adamant that people are overrating him. Nagatani was as basic as they come and Lopez was eating right hands like I've NEVER seen anyone outside of Paul Williams eat right hands.

Okay, then Tim Bradley demonstrates flaws in the defense. Every flaw favors Lomachenko.

Okay.

So then, that's why I say I'm okay if people want to say he has a puncher's chance. I agree. I don't support when people are making it seem like Lopez is the next coming of Roberto Duran.

And I'm not against people getting tested. What I said was, get tested against someone at YOUR level so we can see where YOU are at. Fighting Ryan Garcia would have been a perfect test - two explosive KO artists. Who lands better, who lands first, who lands harder?

Then, that person's profile is significantly raised with a stronger argument for beating Lomachenko.

That's all I'm saying. Marination done right.

[R-Hand Southpaw]

I mean, Teo threw that right hand and avoided Commey’s. He knew what he was doing. Just like Sergio’s left hand on Williams. He had measured him and landed the same punch moments before then he sat on it once he realized itd land.

Lopez’s resume is largely nonexistent compared to Loma’s at this stage in his career. But he does deserve the fight. I think it’s unfair to compare Teo and Wilder. Wilder didnt have a chance against fury because he was a champ, but because he has that right hand.

Teo is a little different. He’s much younger, bigger, and noticeably more powerful. Wilder was a man in his 30s and Teo is over ten years younger trying to prove he’s a great fighter. Teo isnt a finished product and he’s potentially 5, 6, 7 years away from his prime (in terms of physical ability + experience).

He’s an underdog as he should be. But he is nowhere NEAR as limited as Wilder. Wilder was only seen as cherry picking Fury because of Fury’s prior circumstances and layoff, NOT Wilder’s skill.

I think it’s possible for Teo to win here. He’s got a few very real advantages coming in and though I don’t see him winning barring a knockout, it’s possible. Much more possible (since we have hindsight) that Teo can pull it off than Wilder imo. We havent seen the best of Teofimo yet.

Still, it’s possible. Not probable, but possible. I’m picking Loma for obvious reasons but I would NOT be surprised if Teo pulls it off and highlight reels Loma.

Lopez/Wilder is actually a pretty good comparison

Lopez sits and wants to counter with strong shots and when he can't set anything up throws hail marys.

If you took away some power from Wilder and added just a smidge of fundamentals you probably get Teofimo Lopez.

The biggest difference is that Lopezs power isn't an equalizer like Wilder and that Lomachenko had almost infinitely better fundamentals than most if not all the HWs.

The best question to ask is this. Can Teofimo box on his back foot? Im guaranteeing the answer to that is no.

[NearHypnos]

All of which is fine, fair and granted.

My point though, is when people tell me that Lopez is some great because of his KO of Commey when the fact is, it was a shot he likely can't duplicate against anybody.

Ryan Garcia's KOs are legit because he's able to replicate highlight reel KOs every fight. He hasn't yet come across his "Nagatani" to where we can see obvious limitations.

If Lopez had never fought Nagatani, I wouldn't be so adamant that people are overrating him. Nagatani was as basic as they come and Lopez was eating right hands like I've NEVER seen anyone outside of Paul Williams eat right hands.

Okay, then Tim Bradley demonstrates flaws in the defense. Every flaw favors Lomachenko.

Okay.

So then, that's why I say I'm okay if people want to say he has a puncher's chance. I agree. I don't support when people are making it seem like Lopez is the next coming of Roberto Duran.

And I'm not against people getting tested. What I said was, get tested against someone at YOUR level so we can see where YOU are at. Fighting Ryan Garcia would have been a perfect test - two explosive KO artists. Who lands better, who lands first, who lands harder?

Then, that person's profile is significantly raised with a stronger argument for beating Lomachenko.

That's all I'm saying. Marination done right.

I think Teofimo is ahead of Ryan right now in terms of his career advancement. Ryan would be a step back imo.

Teofimo hasn’t shown us anything skill wise to tell ANYONE he’d outbox Loma. So let’s see if Nagatani was just a style thing.

[NearHypnos]

Lopez/Wilder is actually a pretty good comparison

Lopez sits and wants to counter with strong shots and when he can't set anything up throws hail marys.

If you took away some power from Wilder and added just a smidge of fundamentals you probably get Teofimo Lopez.

The biggest difference is that Lopezs power isn't an equalizer like Wilder and that Lomachenko had almost infinitely better fundamentals than most if not all the HWs.

The best question to ask is this. Can Teofimo box on his back foot? Im guaranteeing the answer to that is no.

Teo’s power has been enough of an equalizer (considering the weight class). You cant just add fundamentals to Wilder lol. He doesn’t have them and he’s nearly a finished product at his age. At Teo’s age, even if he doesn’t get the chance to show it, it’s typical guys in their early 20s are improving a lot through each camp.

Teo has some skills and also lot of things he does lack or has never showed (who knows).

There’s not really a great example or comparison right now. This is basically the first batch of the next generation challenging the current one.

It doesn’t look good for Teo. I will say that he’s not as bad as his haters WANT him to be and probably not as good as the Loma haters HOPE he is.

I honestly love this fight. Teo is a worthy challenger to the throne. Logic doesnt always tell the whole story and if he’s got more to show us than he has so far, then it’ll be interesting.

I’m not going to go out and say “well he got hit with a lot of right hands recently” as if he was fighting a devastating right hand puncher. He’s fighting a smaller southpaw. Styles make fights. It’s just as easy to say that a lighter punching Linares put Loma down with a right hand.

Loma should win...but I’m def not putting money on this one. Teofimo is the only one I see who right NOW has the best chance (even if it's largely seen as a punchers chance to some) Not in a year or two or three. But right now? It’s him and everyone else is in a line behind him

[sicko]

WTF are you Rambling About? Fight is Saturday! Lets wait and see WTF happens sound like you're losing sleep over this fight and you're not even the one fighting

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Teo’s power has been enough of an equalizer (considering the weight class). You cant just add fundamentals to Wilder lol. He doesn’t have them and he’s nearly a finished product at his age. At Teo’s age, even if he doesn’t get the chance to show it, it’s typical guys in their early 20s are improving a lot through each camp.

Teo has some skills and also lot of things he does lack or has never showed (who knows).

There’s not really a great example or comparison right now. This is basically the first batch of the next generation challenging the current one.

It doesn’t look good for Teo. I will say that he’s not as bad as his haters WANT him to be and probably not as good as the Loma haters HOPE he is.

I honestly love this fight. Teo is a worthy challenger to the throne. Logic doesnt always tell the whole story and if he’s got more to show us than he has so far, then it’ll be interesting.

I’m not going to go out and say “well he got hit with a lot of right hands recently” as if he was fighting a devastating right hand puncher. He’s fighting a smaller southpaw. Styles make fights. It’s just as easy to say that a lighter punching Linares put Loma down with a right hand.

Loma should win...but I’m def not putting money on this one. Teofimo is the only one I see who right NOW has the best chance (even if it's largely seen as a punchers chance to some) Not in a year or two or three. But right now? It’s him and everyone else is in a line behind him

I agree with saying Teofimo has the best chance. At least he challenged himself. I honestly though think this new crop isn't meant for success at 135 while Loma is there. They could be all major players at 140 though once Ramirez and Taylor move up.

[NearHypnos]

I agree with saying Teofimo has the best chance. At least he challenged himself. I honestly though think this new crop isn't meant for success at 135 while Loma is there. They could be all major players at 140 though once Ramirez and Taylor move up.

Agreed. I mean the way the age differences are I don’t think we’re going to see the best versions of these guys yet and by the time they’re really refined and in their prime, Loma will be close to 40 and they’ll be at 40 (some maybe even 47)

I guess after this the obvious choice is Tank. From there? Maybe Berchelt moves up. There’s Haney and Ryan but how long do they even stay at 35 for if Loma keeps winning and dominating? Ryan in a couple years if he somehow manages to stay at 35 does have enviable attributes (size, speed, power) would be interesting.

[Rick Taylor]

WTF are you Rambling About? Fight is Saturday! Lets wait and see WTF happens sound like you're losing sleep over this fight and you're not even the one fighting

bumachenko groupies all remember the beating he took from that mexican bum. and they know it could happen again to this fraud anytime.