2 questions about Usyk

[Commie]

Great Cruiserweight
To small for Heavyweight not sizewise more in the firepower department

[MoneyKasha]

He was obviously a good cruiser-weight, but as I have stated many times before on here? Usyk does not have any attributes which you can describe as great 'From my observation he is a straight up and down SOLID fundamental fighter'.

If you are a fighter moving up into the heavyweight division you need to be great at something 'David Haye had abnormal punching power/speed and a sublime defense, Evander Holyfield had incredible durability-endurance, multi-dimensions to his boxing game' It was these great attributes that negated the potential size/strength advantage that their heavyweight competitors may of had over them etc

Usyk as a fighter does not have any great attributes, but the media is trying to push this perception upon the boxing community 'That he this technically revolutionary fighter, who does things we have never seen before' If people would just use their own critical thinking skills and observed Usyk 'You will see that he is a straight up and down fighter, who is GOOD in every single area'

Tony Bellew was dead at the weight and was competitive with Usyk, and in periods of that fight? He was out boxing Usyk. David Haye with a injury in the first Bellew fight, was STILL out boxing Tony Bellew 'In those first 6 rounds' And that was a David Haye who had come back from career ending surgery according to medical experts.

The point I am making here is that 'Oleksandr Oleksandrovych Usyk is completely overrated' I will go as far to say? He is benefiting from this new positive stereotyping, where Eastern European fighters from the old soviet nations are regarded as technically superior to other fighters 'Toney Bellew is the only fighter who seems to think Usyk is something great'

Give David Price a 8 week training camp, and I would give him a dance of beating Usyk at heavyweight 'I do not highly rate Usyk at heavyweight at all'.

unfortunately this seems like a response of an african-american fan that hates seeing white boxers dominate

[HeadBodyBodyBody]

Yeah I was, his trainer came out after fight and said that he was injured for some of it and wasnt sparring much .

The implication of saying that someone is having a bad camp is that they are not going to be able to perform at their best. I thought that Sugarhill saying that Tyson had some leg injuries or whatever, was in response to Wilder's feeble excuses? As in, yeah, Tyson had some niggles too, but you just get on with it. So your sources, and you, seem unreliable

Anyway, Mike Tyson is only 5'10" or something, the height is important but not everything. Usyk, I think he can do OK, but he needs some extra weight, he weighed in at 215, he said he wants to beef up more. I dunno, I always remember Haye-Klitschko, when Haye just looked like an infant, I worry that Usyk is gonna have a hard time retaining his hand and footspeed. I don't think he can cut it, ultimately, maybe he'll pick up a belt if the belts get scattered somehow

[Commie]

Usyk beats any wilder opponent except Fury any day of the week
But not with a devastating blow

[PRINCEKOOL]

unfortunately this seems like a response of an african-american fan that hates seeing white boxers dominate

NO.

This is a response from somebody who believes that Usyk is overrated.

[MoneyKasha]

No, i would say my favorites heavyweights now are David Price & maybe Anthony Joshua.

I was maybe somewhat backing Fury to beat Deontay Wilder.

Note: I have not really got a strong rapport with many fighters these days.

ok fair enough

many african american boxing fans tend to be super race centric (only root for black american fighters)

[Madison Boxing]

The implication of saying that someone is having a bad camp is that they are not going to be able to perform at their best. I thought that Sugarhill saying that Tyson had some leg injuries or whatever, was in response to Wilder's feeble excuses? As in, yeah, Tyson had some niggles too, but you just get on with it. So your sources, and you, seem unreliable

Anyway, Mike Tyson is only 5'10" or something, the height is important but not everything. Usyk, I think he can do OK, but he needs some extra weight, he weighed in at 215, he said he wants to beef up more. I dunno, I always remember Haye-Klitschko, when Haye just looked like an infant, I worry that Usyk is gonna have a hard time retaining his hand and footspeed. I don't think he can cut it, ultimately, maybe he'll pick up a belt if the belts get scattered somehow

I literally said he hadn't been sparring much and camp hadn't gone smoothly and it would come out after the fight and it did. How is that unreliable? And anyway fair enough im looking forward to seeing how usyk gets on at heavy weight

[LoadedWraps]

1. Do you consider him a top 5 ATG Cruiserweight

2. Will he be able to make a splash at HW or is he too small? doesn't have the power

1. Yes

2. Can't say yet, but hes not too small stature wise, the only question is can he take punches from top HWs.

[PRINCEKOOL]

ok fair enough

many african american boxing fans tend to be super race centric (only root for black american fighters)

Usyk is overrated and that stereotyping I have just highlighted does benefit fighters from those regions 'Golovkin was herald as some sort of technical pressure fighting genius, but he has now been proven to be quite limited etc'

There are no real fighters I have much a rapport with these days, David Haye was the last heavyweight I kind of had a rapport with' I am neutral in most fights these days.

[HeadBodyBodyBody]

I literally said he hadn't been sparring much and camp hadn't gone smoothly and it would come out after the fight and it did. How is that unreliable? And anyway fair enough im looking forward to seeing how usyk gets on at heavy weight

OK fair play nice one

Yeah, even if Usyk doesn't achieve much at HW, it's good to see him challenging himself