Floyd's Illegal IV; A Prefight Ritual Or A One-Time Thing?

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dont engage with this partisan hack. he knows what is what. he is doing what they call lying. floyd paid usada 150k for the testing program which was 10 times more than normal. of course they let him cheat. look what they did when manny tried to get a legal toradol shot. they denied him and said he didnt have the right paperwork. meanwhile they literally were there and watched him cheat with an illegal iv with no paperwork. then 3 weeks later here comes the tue. what a farce. he needed it for medical reasons LMAO! he dropped 2 pounds for the weigh in as confirmed by 24/7. he was not drained. this is equivalent to a cop saying i was in fear for my life when he shoots an unarmed person in the back of the head. the facts dont matter its about how the fighter "felt" he "felt" like he needed to drain his entire body of fluids and take an IV. yeah yeah sure sure

I agree bro it's a shame this whole scenerio was so shady and left people wondering all this time later , but based off the facts its cut and dry .....it was fooking shady and that's that. Just enuff not to be able to point the finger and call this man a cheater . But enough its raising questions 5 years later as it should .in
want this guy to show me a tue that was approved after the fight and the commission didnt know about it until then .......other than this one . Then I'll shut the fook up 110% . Show me the rule where it says all this is standard procedure becusse I know it isnt and I know the rules .

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It didn’t mention anything about not telling NSAC about it.
Like I said why would they say it’s not okay to do it? Then the next day say it was okay?

Nevada NEVER said the IV wasn't okay. They used carefully crafted public relations language to simmer the outrage caused by Hauser's misleading article. Nevada said only Nevada can issue an exemption. Which is true, that only Nevada can issue an exemption to a Nevada rule. What Nevada didn't want to shine a light on was that IV use wasn't against Nevada rules. So one day they issue a strongly worded, but meaningless statement, knowing fans would be too ****** to understand the difference. Then the next day they confirmed Floyd didn't break any rules.

They essentially said:

Day 1 - ONLY WE SAY WHO BROKE RULES HOW DARE ANYONE ELSE SAY WHO BROKE RULES!!!

Day 2 - No rules were broken.

Floyd is richer and way way bigger star than armstrong so that comparison is off.

Armstrong's foundation at the time had raised 500 million. When Floyd took that IV, he hadn't earned anywhere near 500 million yet.

And if this didn’t leak off to the public there wouldn’t even be a TUE.

That's a lie. It only leaked to the public because of the TUE. If there hadn't have been a TUE, Top Rank wouldn't have been notified, HBO wouldn't have found out, and HBO wouldn't have had their paid puppet write a misleading article about it.

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The nsac rule WAS under 50 mils in 6 hours

You're wrong. NSAC rule was any amount for any reason. There's a reason NSAC couldn't punish Floyd. He didn't break NSAC rules.

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HE NEEDED TO FLUSH BECAUSE THE COMISSION TESTS THEM ASWELL AS USADA OR WADA

But the commission wasn't testing him that day. It was USADA asking for a test that day. He gave a sample before the IV and another sample right after the IV. How could the IV help in that circumstance? If they were in cahoots, why was USADA asking to test him that day at all? How does a system flush work if they make you take a test BEFORE you take the IV?

Not calling him a cheater saying this is shady

It really wasn't shady at all. But for fans who don't know how these things usually work, Hauser, hired to write a hit piece, publicly known to be on HBO's payroll to smear their enemies, was able to fool people into thinking something shady had taken place.

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All fair points except the tue doesnt get granted AFTER THE FIGHT

Retroactive TUEs are granted all the time and are completely legitimate. For some ailments, you're able to get a TUE in advance because it's an expected on going treatment. For unexpected illness, a retroactive TUE is needed because a TUE can take weeks to be approved and if you need immediate care, the only logical resolution is to receive your treatment and then give USADA the chance to determine if the use was legitimate.

on top of that floyd had USada in his pocket the only fighter over paying the **** of them while all other fighter rocked WADA

You're confused. You mean VADA, not WADA. VADA is cheaper than USADA, but not as thorough. USADA is the official testing agency of the US and funded by the US federal government. VADA is an unofficial group set up specifically to make money. Floyd of course is going to pay for the highest level of testing. VADA is for fighters who can't afford testing from the real testing agency.

That amount of IV was illegal

You're wrong. IV was legal in Nevada in any amount, for any reason.

. And the tue should have been granted BEFORE it was used as nsac has to approve the exemption

You're wrong. IV was 100% legal in Nevada, in any amount, for any reason, so no NSAC exemption was needed.

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Nevada NEVER said the IV wasn't okay. They used carefully crafted public relations language to simmer the outrage caused by Hauser's misleading article. Nevada said only Nevada can issue an exemption. Which is true, that only Nevada can issue an exemption to a Nevada rule. What Nevada didn't want to shine a light on was that IV use wasn't against Nevada rules. So one day they issue a strongly worded, but meaningless statement, knowing fans would be too ****** to understand the difference. Then the next day they confirmed Floyd didn't break any rules.

They essentially said:

Day 1 - ONLY WE SAY WHO BROKE RULES HOW DARE ANYONE ELSE SAY WHO BROKE RULES!!!

Day 2 - No rules were broken.




Armstrong's foundation at the time had raised 500 million. When Floyd took that IV, he hadn't earned anywhere near 500 million yet.




That's a lie. It only leaked to the public because of the TUE. If there hadn't have been a TUE, Top Rank wouldn't have been notified, HBO wouldn't have found out, and HBO wouldn't have had their paid puppet write a misleading article about it.

So how about this nick diaz applies for a tue for marijuana ( much less benefits than iv for a fighter who cuts ) . Before his fight with anderson Silva. Gets reviewed after the fight . He tests positive for said marijuana. Now Diaz had applied for his tue 3 days before the fight and he was not granted it and only allowed to fight because he gave a clean test a few days before the fight . Now the reason the ATHLETIC COMMISION ( the same commision and private lab testing as floyd was dealing with) denied the application was " why would diaz only apply for a tue 3 days before the biggest fight of his career ??" Well atleast diaz did it BEFORE the fight. The commission Grant's tues not USADA. They need to approve anything banned first . Whether its marijuana or IV use ( 7 times the legal amount allowed ).

I hope this simular secerio with a differnt fighter clears this up for you. Exemptions cannot be granted after the fight unless its FMJ . NOBODY else would have recieved this type of treatment and if u cant see this ( tue or legal or not ) then u need your eyes checked brotha .

[NORMNEALON]

But the commission wasn't testing him that day. It was USADA asking for a test that day. He gave a sample before the IV and another sample right after the IV. How could the IV help in that circumstance? If they were in cahoots, why was USADA asking to test him that day at all? How does a system flush work if they make you take a test BEFORE you take the IV?




It really wasn't shady at all. But for fans who don't know how these things usually work, Hauser, hired to write a hit piece, publicly known to be on HBO's payroll to smear their enemies, was able to fool people into thinking something shady had taken place.

I havent even read hausers biased garbage article iam going off the affidavit from USADA . They said they had to apply to for a tue in order to give floyd what he needed. They said the legal limit was 50 mg per 6 hours . Why would Floyd's employees say all of this and cause alot of the controversy if it wasnt true ??! He got a Tue, it was an exemption . And it was all approved 3 days AFTER the fight . Show me now your references of this happening with other fighters and that will be that, but u cant do that . Becuase it has never happened before my friend . So if it has only happened once all time and it happened to go down with the highest paid fighter in the history of the sport in the biggest fight in the history of the sport . When the lab was being paid a rediculous amount unheard of. Then that's ****ing shady ,name me more fighters this has happened to and I'll eat crow . Til then I stand firm on my stance and I will agree to disagree and go to a new topic

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Exemptions cannot be granted after the fight unless its FMJ . NOBODY else would have recieved this type of treatment

You're wrong. USADA issues retroactive TUEs all the time. You must not pay attention.




USADA announced today that UFC® athlete Cristiane Justino, of Curitiba, Brazil, has been granted a retroactive The****utic Use Exemption




USADA grants Ian McCall retroactive TUE for IV use prior to UFC 208




USADA grants Gian Villante retroactive TUE for inhaler

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Retroactive TUEs are granted all the time and are completely legitimate. For some ailments, you're able to get a TUE in advance because it's an expected on going treatment. For unexpected illness, a retroactive TUE is needed because a TUE can take weeks to be approved and if you need immediate care, the only logical resolution is to receive your treatment and then give USADA the chance to determine if the use was legitimate.




You're confused. You mean VADA, not WADA. VADA is cheaper than USADA, but not as thorough. USADA is the official testing agency of the US and funded by the US federal government. VADA is an unofficial group set up specifically to make money. Floyd of course is going to pay for the highest level of testing. VADA is for fighters who can't afford testing from the real testing agency.




You're wrong. IV was legal in Nevada in any amount, for any reason.




You're wrong. IV was 100% legal in Nevada, in any amount, for any reason, so no NSAC exemption was needed.

yeah the us government hasnt been compromised in any way...and usada doens't make money? floyd paid them ten time the normal amount for the testing. of course they are goinig to approve any tue he wants. you dont see the conflict of interest there? playing dumb again?

the real testing agency lol the one that has shown it is easy to bribe and pay off. yeah no thanks to that one. why do you think its not used anymore?

also do you know what kind of ailment floyd had for the tue? a "physical ailment" yeah aka nothing. aka i'm full of sh-it and i cant even be bothered to make up a reason why i needed to cheat. thats so vague that no legit testing agency would ever approve that nonsense yet here you are being a patsy and surrending your dignity to defend a cheater. pathetic

[NORMNEALON]

But the commission wasn't testing him that day. It was USADA asking for a test that day. He gave a sample before the IV and another sample right after the IV. How could the IV help in that circumstance? If they were in cahoots, why was USADA asking to test him that day at all? How does a system flush work if they make you take a test BEFORE you take the IV?




It really wasn't shady at all. But for fans who don't know how these things usually work, Hauser, hired to write a hit piece, publicly known to be on HBO's payroll to smear their enemies, was able to fool people into thinking something shady had taken place.

Again show me a man who's so dehydrated its life or death he needs iv who's just willingly gonna have a piss before they find a vein and start hydrating him. If he was that dehydrated he would not be peeing before the IV is administered and they would have to iv into his femoral artery becusee his veins would be non existant . Have u ever cut weight or dealt with an athletic commission in your life ?? Iam just curious where u are getting all your input from ??