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    Originally posted by Jedi Vader View Post
    You keep going on about Floyd fighting Canelo even though he schooled him comprehensively. Pac has fought at the same weight class that Floyd beat Canelo at. So I ask again.

    Why hasn't Pac fought Canelo?
    Yes, Floyd schooled green nel o at CW, you always ignore important bits don't you? Why not wait a year then fight nelo at full 154 at very least?
    Why does Pac have to fight and beat every common opponent more dominantly? So flouds going to fight margarito? Why don't Floyd fight some of the opponents who beat pac? Morales, bradley, horn in Australia even?
    But really, maybe Floyd should comeback at 50 years of age to be 4 decade champ. No more of this do as little as you can get away with approach Floyd likes
    Last edited by hugh grant; 01-02-2020, 05:44 AM.

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      Originally posted by hugh grant View Post
      Yes, Floyd schooled green nel o at CW, you always ignore important bits don't you? Why not wait a year then fight nelo at full 154 at very least?
      Why does Pac have to fight and beat every common opponent more dominantly? So flouds going to fight margarito? Why don't Floyd fight some of the opponents who beat pac? Morales, bradley, horn in Australia even?
      But really, maybe Floyd should comeback at 50 years of age to be 4 decade champ. No more of this do as little as you can get away with approach Floyd likes
      You keep going on about Floyd rematching Canelo when he's already schooled him so again, I'll ask you the same question.

      Why didn't Pac fight Canelo when he's already won titles at that weight?

      I'm waiting.

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        Originally posted by Jedi Vader View Post
        You keep going on about Floyd rematching Canelo when he's already schooled him so again, I'll ask you the same question.

        Why didn't Pac fight Canelo when he's already won titles at that weight?

        I'm waiting.
        You keep replying to me but ignoring me at same time? Weird?
        So again, he schooled a cw weakest version there's ever been. No other great opponent had that luxury, Ggg didnt, kovakev didnt. Why don't Floyd give nel o a fair crack?
        Again, don't reply and ignore me in same breath. Pac has won titles in 8 divisions. Why does he need to fight nelo? He fought and beat hatton, dlh, ssm, cott o more dominantly and Floyd fans feign not being overly impressed with any of the wins with excuses ranging from Floyd beat them first comments?
        Asking why Pac didn't fight nel o is as silly as why Pac don't fight at 168? I assume he's waiting for his peers to push him by winning titles in 7 divisions first before Pac gets nervous.
        Why didn't Floyd fight nel o at 154?
        Last edited by hugh grant; 01-02-2020, 06:18 AM.

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          Originally posted by R_Walken View Post
          You think the guy Mayweather embarrassed should get the Award

          What kind of Bizzaro World logic makes people on here think that either Manny or Canelo should win the award and not Mayweather when Mayweather clearly beat them both and whatever metric you would Base the award on with the exception of having fought right through the entire decade Mayweather Trumps Both Canelo & Pac

          A guy who’s been popped for PED , needed help multiple times from the Judges to get Ws and exclusively fought the Future HOFers on his CV when they were 35+ and on the slide and still needed help from the Judges to get some of those Ws , A fighter who’s in the entire Decade has never been considered or even close to being #1 P4P and who’s record is more of a reflection of popularity and not the actual results in the Ring , shouldn’t win the Award.
          Canelo beat GGG, Kovalev, Jacobs three huge threats.

          Mayweather beat Pacquiao and the rest were very well timed fights.

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            Originally posted by abracada View Post
            Canelo beat GGG, Kovalev, Jacobs three huge threats.

            Mayweather beat Pacquiao and the rest were very well timed fights.
            Canelo fought Kov & GGg when they were 35+ , in fact Everytine Canelo Fights a Future HOF they are 35+ a age which every fighter is on the decline , The Kov win is OK but it’s being made out to be better then it actually is there’s a reason Canelo was a 4-1 favourite going into the fight . Canelo needed the Judges Help to get the D and the W against Golovkin. The Jacobs legit good solid W but it’s not a great W. Oh yeah the guy you think shouldn’t win the award damn near shut out Canelo.


            I know you’ll cling to the 152 weight and Canelo inexperience as the reasons why that L shouldn’t really matter and why he should still win the award, But Great Fighters especially Fighters that are fighters of the decade caliber should be able to handle that type of Adversity against a old smaller fighter better then how Canelo did. B-Hop had to l weigh under the limit when he fought Óscar and still got the W, At 23 Mayweather destroyed Corrales who was considered a P4Per , SRL at 23 beat Benitez, Ali at that age Beat Liston for the HW Title , Joe Louis was the HW Champ at 23. ATG Great Fighters Who are Fighter of the Decade Quality Step Up when it’s time , That’s what make them great fighters, They don’t get shut out and get excused for their inexperience or multiple times have Needed The assistance of Biased Judges to get them undeserved Ws , who’s best names in their Resume consist of only 35+ Year old to be considered great & he’s been popped for PEDs,


            ATG FOTD type fighters don’t need all the breaks & privilege Canelos has Received his entire career to get to the top

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              Originally posted by R_Walken View Post
              I know you’ll cling to the 152 weight and Canelo inexperience as the reasons why that L shouldn’t really matter and why he should still win the award, But Great Fighters especially Fighters that are fighters of the decade caliber should be able to handle that type of Adversity against a old smaller fighter better then how Canelo did. B-Hop had to l weigh under the limit when he fought Óscar and still got the W, At 23 Mayweather destroyed Corrales who was considered a P4Per , SRL at 23 beat Benitez, Ali at that age Beat Liston for the HW Title , Joe Louis was the HW Champ at 23. ATG Great Fighters Who are Fighter of the Decade Quality Step Up when it’s time , That’s what make them great fighters, They don’t get shut out and get excused for their inexperience or multiple times have Needed The assistance of Biased Judges to get them undeserved Ws , who’s best names in their Resume consist of only 35+ Year old to be considered great & he’s been popped for PEDs,


              ATG FOTD type fighters don’t need all the breaks & privilege Canelos has Received his entire career to get to the top
              Nelo weren't great when he fought Floyd though. He did nothing that was impressive. The way he beat Trout wasn't impressive his only win at that point. But he has improved since. Boxers aren't born the finished article. One loss early in your career don't stop you being considered great, otherwise Hagler wouldnt be considered the best middleweight.
              THing is Floyd fought a CW against an unproven and relatively untested fighter at highest level.. THat detracts from floyds win, its not about Nelo. Floyd shouldn't have been scared to fight Nelo that he needed a CW. Floyd didn't need a CW. Nobody wanted him to use a CW. But if Floyid is holding everyone to ransonm sure have the CW if we get the fight. But don't then say its a great win, please.
              Last edited by hugh grant; 01-02-2020, 02:28 PM.

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                Originally posted by hugh grant View Post
                You keep replying to me but ignoring me at same time? Weird?
                So again, he schooled a cw weakest version there's ever been. No other great opponent had that luxury, Ggg didnt, kovakev didnt. Why don't Floyd give nel o a fair crack?
                Again, don't reply and ignore me in same breath. Pac has won titles in 8 divisions. Why does he need to fight nelo? He fought and beat hatton, dlh, ssm, cott o more dominantly and Floyd fans feign not being overly impressed with any of the wins with excuses ranging from Floyd beat them first comments?
                Asking why Pac didn't fight nel o is as silly as why Pac don't fight at 168? I assume he's waiting for his peers to push him by winning titles in 7 divisions first before Pac gets nervous.
                Why didn't Floyd fight nel o at 154?
                Why didn’t manny fight cotto at 147?

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                  Originally posted by hugh grant View Post
                  Nelo weren't great when he fought Floyd though. He did nothing that was impressive. The way he beat Trout wasn't impressive his only win at that point. But he has improved since. Boxers aren't born the finished article. One loss early in your career don't stop you being considered great, otherwise Hagler wouldnt be considered the best middleweight.
                  THing is Floyd fought a CW against an unproven and relatively untested fighter at highest level.. THat detracts from floyds win, its not about Nelo. Floyd shouldn't have been scared to fight Nelo that he needed a CW. Floyd didn't need a CW. Nobody wanted him to use a CW. But if Floyid is holding everyone to ransonm sure have the CW if we get the fight. But don't then say its a great win, please.
                  I agree with you that fighters can improve and aren’t the finished product , and I’m a Canelo hater but I’ve been impressed on how he’s progressed in his career and got W I didn’t think he’d get , But The inexperience excuse doesn’t hold weight

                  Canelo was a Champ and had fought experienced vets for years before Mayweather,

                  Loses happen even to the best but When was the last time a Fighter of the Decade got embarrassed the way Canelo did against Mayweather when he stepped it up , even if they lose they’ll make it competitive. Who was the last FOTD that needed multiple generous Scorecards from the Judges to get decisions. previous FOTD never needed that or got completely embarrassed when they stepped up, Why is the criteria different for Canelo .

                  If we’re being honest Canelo shouldn’t even be on the Ballot because he was popped for PEDs and that should put a black cloud over his entire career and should not be eligible or in the running for these type of awards not simply have it Forgotten about like it never happend which seems to be the case

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                    Originally posted by R_Walken View Post
                    Manny should be fighter of the Year for 2019

                    But you can’t receive FOTD when the 2 memorable moments from Pac in the Decade is losing a lopsided decision in the Super fight against Mayweather and getting chin checked by Marquez that had PAC laying on the canvass lifeless

                    It’s Mayweather who’s FOTD
                    But in the majority of fans eyes, Manny won the fight of the decade. And he's 2 and 2 with jmm. Also, jmm was heavily on PEDs for the 4th fight, no questions asked.

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                      Originally posted by hugh grant View Post
                      Pac should be FOTD as he started the decade at age 31, so was already past prime starting 2010 so every win he gets he should be given an extra b it of credit taking into consideration he is fighting past prime, being a former flyweight, with 23 year career, with 70+ fights under belt.

                      Let's see what nel o does from 2020 to 2030 but the PED gate might have hurt nel o and still fresh in people's minds for him to challenge Pac this time. End of decade came little too soon for nelo
                      To me 2 best fighters of the decade by far are Pacquiao and Roman Chocolatito Gonzalez, it's very close between them I still haven't decided who between them 2 is my fighter of the decade.

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