Why do people rate Canelo's resume so high, even relative to GGG's?

[QueensburyRules]

Serious question/thread...just never really understood the hype on Canelo's and hate on GGG's.

Even without the two GGG-Canelo fights with each other...let's just look at some names:

Canelo's good wins - Trout (never scored/watched it all), Lara (I had Canelo 7-5), Jacobs (7-5), Smith (good KO), Cotto (shot and at a higher than best weight...but good win), Kirkland (KO), piAngulo (KO), Fielding (KO).

Canelo's OK wins - Lopez, Cintron, Chavez, Mosley, Baldomir, Khan.

GGG's good wins (besides Jacobs all KOs) - Jacobs (8-4 imo), Murray, Brook, Lemieux, Monroe, Geale, Macklin, Proksa, Ouma, Stevens, Vanes.

GGG's OK wins (all KOs) - Rosado, Adama, Rubio, Ishida, Rolls.

GGG has more good wins imo...and more dominant in most of those wins...winning by KO and hardly losing a round...and more OK/Good wins total, almost all by KO...compared to quite a few decisions for Canelo.

That's without even getting into the 2 Canelo-GGG fights which I felt were pretty straightforward wins for GGG...outlanding Canelo in 18/22 rounds (2 ties)...that's 80+% of the rounds that he was outlanding Canelo...pretty impressive on that for sure.

So genuinely - what am I missing?

Edit - not to mention the clear loss Canelo has to Mayweather...but I don't really slight him for that...he was pretty green then and it was not an ideal weight for him.

- -Prob cause you rated so lowly.

[Boxing_1013]

This is why resumes don’t really matter until a fighter’s career is judged as a whole tbh...even then, who really cares. It can all be very subjective and it’s pretty well meaningless unless we’re talking about mythical p4p rankings. What really matters is the fights themselves...the best fighters facing each other as close to their primes as possible. That’s the only circumstance where who’s the best is settled...and even then it’s only on a given night. Boxing at the highest level is a sport of single fights over whole careers imo. Resumes invariably turn into never ending subjective arguments, cuz everyone can’t fight everyone and fighters peak at different times.

Great post per usual...I especially like the bolded part

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Sadly I think you're correct as far as people having a personal vested interest in their fighter or fighters doing well...or being perceived well...and also then denigrating other fighters to try and make their guys look better by comparison, while also slighting that fighter/his 'people'.

I personally don't think I have that problem...but I'm sure we all have our biases...I just try to look at stuff objectively and let the chips fall where they may...there have been great black white Mexican etc fighters...black fighters all-time probably have the highest percentage in my view...but the eastern euros are really doing well in this era and probably closing that gap some.

But yeah I guess my point is that it's not like there is a clear superiority there for any 'group'...or a real need for a great ____ hope...if someone really wants to pin their hopes on someone from their background, they honestly have a litany of fighters, past and present to choose from, to be proud of.

Yeah name wise...it is not really a debate...Mosley and Cotto are on Canelo's...and Lara too...GGG can't really compete there...if those were prime versions of Mosley and Cotto at or around their best weights...I would rate those wins as great wins.

That's the type of stuff an ATG would have...and honestly very rarely in this sport does a fighter have multiple great clear wins over another great fighter...especially if he doesn't have almost as many losses as well.

I do think Canelo beat Lara though so I give him full credit for that win...I love Lara but he pisses me off sometimes with how lackadaisical he can be at times...and that is why Canelo took it imo...he just raised his level while Lara didn't.

I thought at best Canelo drew with Lara. But a draw imo would have been fine but I think Canelo was gifted that too. Even he thought he lost that fight until it was announced.

Some of those names on Canelos resume imo mean nothing because I think GGG would have best those guys as well. Take cotto for example. Cotto literally paid GGG step aside money so he could fight Canelo for the MW title at a catchweight of 155lbs. GGG should have just said no to get that name.

Then in two fights they were virtually even though I had GGG edgejng both fights 8-4 then 7-5. Even if you went by offical results nothing proves Canelo is far superior to GGG. Officially he beat GGG by 1 round. GGG even out landed Canelo in like 20/24 rounds. Then his fans complain about power punches and how Canelo landed so many BUT facts are still they did nothing to GGG.

Top that off with the fact Canelo is now cornered and desperate to do anything to avoid a 37 year old GGG again? Despite it being "easy"? Please.

[Boxing_1013]

I thought at best Canelo drew with Lara. But a draw imo would have been fine but I think Canelo was gifted that too. Even he thought he lost that fight until it was announced.

Some of those names on Canelos resume imo mean nothing because I think GGG would have best those guys as well. Take cotto for example. Cotto literally paid GGG step aside money so he could fight Canelo for the MW title at a catchweight of 155lbs. GGG should have just said no to get that name.

Then in two fights they were virtually even though I had GGG edgejng both fights 8-4 then 7-5. Even if you went by offical results nothing proves Canelo is far superior to GGG. Officially he beat GGG by 1 round. GGG even out landed Canelo in like 20/24 rounds. Then his fans complain about power punches and how Canelo landed so many BUT facts are still they did nothing to GGG.

Top that off with the fact Canelo is now cornered and desperate to do anything to avoid a 37 year old GGG again? Despite it being "easy"? Please.

great post man...we see things much the same way...I especially like the bolded parts....yeah I think GGG would have rolled over Cotto, that version of him anyway...only guy on Canelo's resume I think may have gone 12 with GGG was Lara...and that's a maybe.

People not scoring all the good work GGG was doing in those fights is just odd imo...he was outworking Canelo in most every round...and some of them clearly...the other rounds were relatively close...just can't really see how anyone can get to 6 or 7 rounds for Canelo without twisting how they score fights.

[BoxingIsGreat]

Anyone who can put Golovkin and Canelo's resumes in the same sentence doesn't know much about boxing. Casuals are allowed to think that, tho, since they know very little about boxing.

War Boxing!

[Thuglife Nelo]

Canelo's cut was bigger!!! GGG won!! lol

We had these saw type of posters before GGG vs Canelo ever happened. The fights happened, and Canelo is still the better fighter. In other words these aren’t new and the reason we oblige it is so that people get bored of the idea that GGG performed on par as he was supposed to. That’s why the world P4P rankings are the way they are

[Thuglife Nelo]

That dude is actually a good poster imo...he is one of the few people on here who keeps it pretty real based on what he sees, from I can tell...I've read quite a few of his posts and never really found anything that over the top or rude...your posts on the other hand

Nehequini got suspended I guess ;0 lol

Yeah but your appearance lately telling others what great posts they are making is playing the troll, alt. Gathering posters to agree with you is what gangstaism is all about.

I think however the LDBC are to blame for your cute actions. Though I never seen LDBC ride GGG like so...

How is the other Rene Box Young account going?

[Dontbeahater]

Dayam boxing1013 life mission is to defend ggg tomato can resume. He asks the question to troll everyone... It's like arguing someone why his god exists but my God doesn't. Emotions

[Curt Henning]

the part that must always be remembered when comparing their resumes...is canelo is like 29...and lil g is like 37...

now canelo might end up retiring young since he will be so well off financially....but he still has plenty of time to do great things and add to his...which is already very good

lil g is 37 and basically fighting bums until someone forces canelo to fight him again...lil g has 3 good names on his and hes 1-1-1 with all fights being pretty close for the most part...he was supposed to be a killer that was going to end canelo "as we know him".....LOL

[ruedboy]

Good points man...it is always about the opinions...I honestly just love boxing...so I get on here every so often to see what the topics of the day are...and occasionally I will see some narratives gaining steam that I don't really personally see.

So just wanted to throw it out there in a way...to see what others thought on the specifics...I figured most posts would be combative and maybe a little rude but I thought (correctly imo) some people would come in and give some good perspectives.

But yeah...I guess we can all see what we want to see sometimes...I do rate GGG very high based on what I've seen from him...but I think there are some valid criticisms that can be leveled at him too...I think he could have done more vs Jacobs and certainly Canelo to really help his legacy.

He could have moved up at a certain point if he really wanted to focus on 'legacy' too...could argue staying at MW was a better legacy move too...never really hurt Hagler...but still it is a worthwhile question about him.

I think waiting on Canelo was the right move all around...but I do think he could have negotiated earlier with Canelo on weight too...not saying he should have because it all worked out...but yeah I think it is fair to have some criticisms of him or anyone else.

Just to me a lot of the stuff leveled at him is kind of head-scratching stuff lol...like I'll read an article or two and will see the same lines parroted by different posters etc lol...Idk it's just weird to me I guess...I guess we all see things differently sometimes.

I enjoy boxing too. Your question is not bad and there's nothing wrong with an educated opinion.
I just get tired of the comments from the haters and the guys too ****** to pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. :-)