Comments Thread For: Hearn is 'Gutted' After Wilder's Manager Tabbed Joshua For 2020

[OnlytheTruth]

If Hearn is so gutted, why doesn't he do a Joshua vs Wilder trilogy with Showtime PPV in the US and Sky PPV in the UK?

60/40 Joshua in fight 1.

60/40 Wilder if he wins the first fight, 70/30 Joshua if he wins the first fight.

50/50 in the third fight if they split the first two, third fight is canceled if the same fighter wins the first two.


Wilder's side would accept this deal. All three (or possibly just two) PPVs would sell at least 3 million PPVs worldwide each. You might come close to 10 million PPV buys worldwide for the trilogy. Half a billion dollars in the pot to split.

No need to be gutted Eddie. Just stop refusing to put the fight on PPV where it belongs.

If you remember, Hearn has already offered 60/40 with a 50/50 rematch regardless of the first fight result.

Why should there be an improved offer?

[OnlytheTruth]

When was the last time you heard about Finkel or Haymon sending an offer to Hearn for the Joshua fight or fights? All you hear is the same thing, 50-50.

That is evidence enough that they are protecting Wilder just like they were, years ago, against Klitschko.

If a big fight like Wilder/Fury isn't enough to generate the fan base to watch him against Breazeale, its not going to generate enough against Kownacki or a rematch v Ortiz.

If Wilder/Breazeale doesn't break 500k buys then Hearn's consistent message of no 50-50 unless they can prove that they can REALLY sell a fight, isn't going to change, is it?

Wilder should have ditched Finkel when he had the chance.

[SlackeryShamone]

To be honest I'm not really fussed about him fighting Joshua. I want the WBC to pull their finger out and give Whyte his shot.

Wilder lost his last fight and shouldn't even be the champion. It's one thing for his handlers to announce his schedule but at which point does the WBC actually make him fight their number 1 contender.

[N/A]

News flash: Wilder fans have grudgingly admitted that they will only honour and campaign for the fight if they have some input in the financials. They want to pay 100 dollars on Showtime PPV so they too can be loyal to Al Haymon. If there is any chance it will cost them nothing on Dazn it’s a no go. It’s PPV or nothing

I would rather it be on DAZN because it'd be cheaper to watch, but when assessing who is to blame for the fight not happening, you should blame the side refusing to let the fighters maximize their income.

[N/A]

If you remember, Hearn has already offered 60/40 with a 50/50 rematch regardless of the first fight result.

That's not true. Wilder was never sent an offer where the second fight would be 50/50 even if Wilder loses the first fight.

Second of all, even if the split is right, it doesn't matter if Hearn refuses to put the fight on PPV so the fighters can maximize their income.

[SlackeryShamone]

You don't "move on" from the unified champion. And certainly not for a whole year by choice. AJ should pull a GGG/Kovalev and have WBC mandate him

The funny thing is that Joshua has beaten 6 of the top 15 ranked WBC heavyweights whilst Wilder has only beaten 1 on the list.

[MDPopescu]

The funny thing is that Joshua has beaten 6 of the top 15 ranked WBC heavyweights whilst Wilder has only beaten 1 on the list.

... just checked all rankings: it seems that WBA still has Miller at #3 (even if they banned him...)

[OnlytheTruth]

That's not true. Wilder was never sent an offer where the second fight would be 50/50 even if Wilder loses the first fight.

Second of all, even if the split is right, it doesn't matter if Hearn refuses to put the fight on PPV so the fighters can maximize their income.

Says you.

It was widely publicised that Hearn had offered a 60/40 fight to both Wilder and Fury before Miller was announced.

It was widely discussed and accepted on this forum that it was the best deal that Wilder should have been offered. You are just being argumentative for the sake of it.

I don't understand your second statement. Are you insinuating that fighters would make more money on PPV than they would on DAZN?

[Eff Pandas]

When was the last time you heard about Finkel or Haymon sending an offer to Hearn for the Joshua fight or fights? All you hear is the same thing, 50-50.

The offered $50M to Joshua when Joshua said $50M would be nice iirc. Then Eddie started saying crazy sh^t like they didn't have $50M to give Joshua. Which come the f#ck on this is THE fight to make at HW. You can find money for the fight. Its there.

Regardless of who's offering what Team Wilder doesn't feel like the price is right just yet apparently & with the offer having gone from $15M for 1 fight to a $120M for 4 fight deal ($30M a fight avg) or a 100% increase in Wilder's value in mere months & when he lost a fight in my estimation, although it was officially ruled a draw, that suggests Wilder did get lowballed initially (as crazy as that might sound to say outloud to some). And I suspect if anyone knows the true value of this fight its Haymon cuz he played the game perfectly with Floyd.

If Wilder can keep winning like Floyd did is a whole other thing, but personally I don't think the money dries up like that even if Wilder loses. Wilder has made himself a name now. And his punch is gonna be there even if he loses in the future. So while I don't doubt they lose money if Wilder loses (hell they lose money if Joshua loses) its probably not as much as people think. Its a gamble no doubt, but this is a high wire act sport where risk of losing value or ability to increase your value can be changed in one night to some degree.

I mean look at Buster Douglas. He was a also ran HW contender. He got the callup to Tyson. He made $1.3M. He beat Tyson. He earned $24M vs Holyfield. Sh^t can change on a f#cking dime in boxing if you win the right fight. And its not like the money dried up for Tyson. Tyson would sign a $120M multifight deal with HBO later that year.

[Ray*]

To be honest with you none of them are “Gutted!” Both camps are happy to let it marinate, I knew this was both their call years ago. It was the dumb Wilder fangirls that got tricked into thinking Wilder actually wanted that fight right there and then. The “One face, one name” blah blah blah looks good to uneducated fans, but when you have followed this sport enough you would know when someone is BS you.

You don’t claim you want the fight and don’t care about money then turn down 12.5m (When your normal payday is 2m).

Just like Ortiz “I want the fight, he would never fight me, offer me anything” and then got offered 7m and it’s the same old tired line “Lowball, I know my worth” for someone that makes 500k.

So as much as Hearn is “Gutted” he is happy the fight isn’t happening now, he is definitely happy more now because most normal people can now see it was Wilder’s team that never wanted the fight in the first place. Especially with the Ortiz BS that he also exposed recently.