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    #51
    Originally posted by KTFOKING View Post
    Brook got Spence's respect early enough where he made him hesitant and it turned into a boxing match from the outside. Only up until the 6th round where Spence turned it up and started pressuring Brook non-stop. He ended up breaking him down like that. Mikey is a sharp counter puncher with heavy hands, but TBD if he carries his pop at WW. I'd guess that he does. Land enough counter punches early on and he may be able to dictate the pace of the fight. Mikey likes to fight in control and doesn't like a frantic pace. Spence is obviously going to try to gun him down from round 1 and make him uncomfortable. I'm interested in seeing the early rounds and how both fighters approach this fight. I still say Spence TKO8, but definitely don't see a Hearns/Duran repeat.
    Spence was never, at any point in that fight, hesitant. You're making shieet up.

    Only thing that happened there is that Brook was physically bigger and stronger than Spence and was able to bully him at times, but Spence is a stamina freak and a dog in the trenches and never stopped coming and never stopped punishing that body. His stamina and his body work began to tell later on and from there he demolished Brook. He stuck to the game plan.

    You must have been watching a different fight buddy.
    Last edited by Sledgeweather17; 02-15-2019, 11:38 AM.

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      #52
      Originally posted by Sledgeweather17 View Post
      Spence was never, at any point in that fight, hesitant. You're making shieet up.

      Only thing that happened there is that Brook was physically bigger and stronger than Spence and was able to bully him at times, but Spence is a stamina freak and a dog in the trenches and never stopped coming and never stopped punishing that body. His stamina and his body work began to tell later on and from there he demolished Brook. He stuck to the game plan.

      You must have been watching a different fight buddy.
      Spence early on was absolutely more hesitant than he was from the 6th round on. He even said at that point he felt he was getting out boxed a bit and decided to turn it up. Brook was doing enough to hold Spence at bay in the early going. He landed enough counters and clean shots.

      And yes, eventually he broke Brook down and the fight became very one sided from the 6th round on. Spence is a level above Brook, who is a fine fighter in his own right.

      Maybe we were watching different fights...Even though we don't even disagree all that much in what happened.

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        #53
        Originally posted by KTFOKING View Post
        Spence early on was absolutely more hesitant than he was from the 6th round on. He even said at that point he felt he was getting out boxed a bit and decided to turn it up. Brook was doing enough to hold Spence at bay in the early going. He landed enough counters and clean shots.

        And yes, eventually he broke Brook down and the fight became very one sided from the 6th round on. Spence is a level above Brook, who is a fine fighter in his own right.

        Maybe we were watching different fights...Even though we don't even disagree all that much in what happened.
        It's the word 'hesitant' that I disagree with.

        Spence was never hesitant bro. Brook manhandled him but Spence was fighting back the whole time killing brook with the jab and monster body shots.

        We agree about how the fight went but we disagree about the 'reason' it went like that.

        You say it was because Spence was hesitant, I say because Brook was stronger and bullying Spence, nothing to do with Spence's mentality at the time but more to do with Brook's energy and physical dominance. Even Porter said that Brook was way stronger than he expected when they fought and I saw the same thing against Spence, he was and is bigger and stronger than Spence.

        Fortunately no one else at the weight will be able to match over overpower Spence in terms of physicality and strength, and even if they did, that debilitating punching power, inhuman stamina, jab, and body work will break down just about anyone.

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          #54
          Originally posted by gbonafide View Post
          **** Schaefer should not be allowed to speak to media anymore. His quotes are always of the smh variety. Remember him annointing Lucas Matthysse as the next Manny Pacquiao?
          Promoter's are supposed to be hyping up their fighter's.

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            #55
            Originally posted by Sledgeweather17 View Post
            It's the word 'hesitant' that I disagree with.

            Spence was never hesitant bro. Brook manhandled him but Spence was fighting back the whole time killing brook with the jab and monster body shots.

            We agree about how the fight went but we disagree about the 'reason' it went like that.

            You say it was because Spence was hesitant, I say because Brook was stronger and bullying Spence, nothing to do with Spence's mentality at the time but more to do with Brook's energy and physical dominance. Even Porter said that Brook was way stronger than he expected when they fought and I saw the same thing against Spence, he was and is bigger and stronger than Spence.

            Fortunately no one else at the weight will be able to match over overpower Spence in terms of physicality and strength, and even if they did, that debilitating punching power, inhuman stamina, jab, and body work will break down just about anyone.
            Brook was indeed bigger and physically on par or stronger as he did handle Spence in the clinches at times, especially in the first half of the fight. However, even without that, Spence wasn't attacking how he would normally attack. In the 2nd round he got hit with some solid shots that the SHO crew mentioned as hurting Spence, but I don't know if he was so much hurt than he was just a bit buzzed. But the rest of the round Spence didn't throw much at all. Eventually he started picking it up but it was more so than just Brook being so strong in the clinch. Spence was being careful and didn't want to get caught with big shots. But even in the early rounds, his jab and body work were going unnoticed by both the SHO crew and Sky Sports crew. That more than anything was the key to eventually breaking Brook down as well as Spence just turning it up as he alluded to.

            If you want to use another word than hesitant that is fine, but that's what I'm going with.

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              #56
              Originally posted by KTFOKING View Post
              Spence early on was absolutely more hesitant than he was from the 6th round on. He even said at that point he felt he was getting out boxed a bit and decided to turn it up. Brook was doing enough to hold Spence at bay in the early going. He landed enough counters and clean shots.

              And yes, eventually he broke Brook down and the fight became very one sided from the 6th round on. Spence is a level above Brook, who is a fine fighter in his own right.

              Maybe we were watching different fights...Even though we don't even disagree all that much in what happened.
              Also, if you rewatch the fight again, pay attention to the small battles that were being fought within the fight that Brook gradually lost as the fight went on.

              The jab battle. Establishing your jab and countering the jab. Early on Brook tried to take away Spence's jab by constantly countering over it. But Spence didn't allow that, he didn't stop throwing that jab and he kept switching between a thudding jab and a fast twitch lazer jab to throw Brook off. Eventually Brook lost that battle completely as Spence kept re-adjusting his jab evertime Brook successfuly countered it.

              Then there was the battle of body shots. Every time Brook threw a straight right to the body, Spence would counter with an overhand left. There were even times were Spence took the body shot just so that he can land the over hand left hand. Brook lost that battle as well as he got discouraged from throwing that shot because Spence would nail him to the face every time he threw it.

              The third battle was the physicality and rough house tactics battle. Brook tried to get in Spence's head mentally by being physically domineering and showing Spence early on that he was the bigger and stronger man, something Spence isn't used to. But Spence never got discouraged at all and never stopped fighting back. Brook broke mentaliy and physically as he couldn't maintain that pace and that aggressiveness and Spence on the other hand just kept coming no matter what Brook did. Also I'm sure even if Brook is stronger it was not easy at all manhandling a big and strong guy like Spence.

              Those were the main three tactical battles early on, and Brook lost all three of them, which is why the fight looked the way it did from round 6 onwards. He realised that Spence had an answer for everything he did and his body and mind broke.

              There were many other small tactical battles in that fight that most people and even the so called true boxing fans never noticed about that fight. When that fight ended I saw a lot of poss about how sloppy and unskilled the fighters were. People didn't know wha the hell they were watching coz that was one of the most tactical and yet brutal fights I ever saw.

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                #57
                Have whatever opinion you like on the headline.. I think it's a huge mismatch but my curiosity wants to see the fight.

                But that undercard. PPV? 3 ****ing ten rounders ... Is that a joke?

                What a disgusting way to treat boxing fans. Charging eyewatering ppv for that card. Disgusting.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by yammy25 View Post
                  Have whatever opinion you like on the headline.. I think it's a huge mismatch but my curiosity wants to see the fight.

                  But that undercard. PPV? 3 ****ing ten rounders ... Is that a joke?

                  What a disgusting way to treat boxing fans. Charging eyewatering ppv for that card. Disgusting.
                  Don't worry, for sure the Nery and Benavidez fights don't go 10 rounds so it will be a moot point.

                  I can't comment on the other fight as I've never seen Augustin fight.

                  No one will be buying this fight for the UC, that's for sure. But the quicker the fights end the better it is to me. Just don't end too quickly where there is like an hour wait as we saw for Canelo/GGG II.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Sledgeweather17 View Post
                    Also, if you rewatch the fight again, pay attention to the small battles that were being fought within the fight that Brook gradually lost as the fight went on.

                    The jab battle. Establishing your jab and countering the jab. Early on Brook tried to take away Spence's jab by constantly countering over it. But Spence didn't allow that, he didn't stop throwing that jab and he kept switching between a thudding jab and a fast twitch lazer jab to throw Brook off. Eventually Brook lost that battle completely as Spence kept re-adjusting his jab evertime Brook successfuly countered it.

                    Then there was the battle of body shots. Every time Brook threw a straight right to the body, Spence would counter with an overhand left. There were even times were Spence took the body shot just so that he can land the over hand left hand. Brook lost that battle as well as he got discouraged from throwing that shot because Spence would nail him to the face every time he threw it.

                    The third battle was the physicality and rough house tactics battle. Brook tried to get in Spence's head mentally by being physically domineering and showing Spence early on that he was the bigger and stronger man, something Spence isn't used to. But Spence never got discouraged at all and never stopped fighting back. Brook broke mentaliy and physically as he couldn't maintain that pace and that aggressiveness and Spence on the other hand just kept coming no matter what Brook did. Also I'm sure even if Brook is stronger it was not easy at all manhandling a big and strong guy like Spence.

                    Those were the main three tactical battles early on, and Brook lost all three of them, which is why the fight looked the way it did from round 6 onwards. He realised that Spence had an answer for everything he did and his body and mind broke.

                    There were many other small tactical battles in that fight that most people and even the so called true boxing fans never noticed about that fight. When that fight ended I saw a lot of poss about how sloppy and unskilled the fighters were. People didn't know wha the hell they were watching coz that was one of the most tactical and yet brutal fights I ever saw.
                    If folks think that wasn't a high class fight, then I don't know what to say. There was a lot more skill in that fight than Thurman/DSG or Thurman/Porter, that's for sure. It was a really good fight, especially in the first half of the fight. Then the better fighter took over and started to break down the proud champion.

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                      #60
                      The card is chit for a PPV, But watching Mikey expose Spence will be worth it.

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