The Mayweather "failed" drug tests.

[Vadrigar.]

Floyd had TE ratios well below 1 while having free testosterone at the high end of normal, well beyond normal for a man his age. High end of "normal", normal as generously defined for an athlete in their 20s not late 30s, free testosterone. BTW excessive training of boxing should lower free testosterone not raise it. WADA doesn't have a low limit for TE ratios so there is no normal. TE ratios well below 1 are abnormal. Its either a sign of a major endocrine issue or the masking of testosterone.

There is only one explanation for two tests showing high end of normal free testosterone and a T/E ratio well below 1. The use of exogenous epitestosterone to mask the use of exogenous testosterone. Short of a major endocrine problem that would preclude Mayweather from being a professional fighter there is no other explanation for the results of those drug tests.

There are a few medical conditions that can cause a low T/E ratio. But those conditions also cause low testosterone. Floyds tests showed high end of normal free testosterone. To my knowledge there is no natural condition that can cause both high end of normal testosterone and even higher epitestosterone. If Floyd had a real medical condition that caused a low T/E ratio he could never be a professional fighter. People who have such conditions are fat and lethargic.

[ironmt]

I could, but it was still utterly ridiculous. Hypocricy exists on both sides

As for gaming the system, maybe. That said, if Manny is clean because he never tested positive, but Floyd "gamed" the system despite never testing positive, that is just as hypocritical.

.

Now you are going to act as If you are unbiased?

[travestyny]

TE ratios well below 1 are abnormal. Its either a sign of a major endocrine issue or the masking of testosterone.

Yawnnnnn....

Hmm. T/E ratio = .69 and .8


How about .29, .35, and .19?

Dr. Christiane Ayotte, the head of the WADA-accredited laboratory in Montreal, saw no problem with Jones' T/E ratio.

One way to manipulate a T/E ratio downward would be to take epitestosterone, but Ayotte said that would be easily detected in a screening.

"I read the interviews of 'specialists' on that topic [in MMA media accounts], and, well, I am sorry, but such T/E values are not at all abnormal,"

What's got your panties in a knot recently? Is this about Pacquiao losing? Stop bumping these old threads just because your boy lost.

[Vadrigar.]

CIR will detect testosterone synthesized from soy phytosterols. Testosterone synthesized from cholesterol is undetectable. Testosterone synthesized from soy phytosterols is the most common prescription testosterone because it is cheaper to produce. However, any skilled chemist can synthesize testosterone from cholesterol. Hello Memo Heredia.

Although the CIR tests would be able to detect if Jones had been using exogenous testosterone, Conte remains skeptical not only of the champion’s low overall levels, but of the great variance in Jones’ T/E ratios as well.

“If they see a deviation in the T/E ratio of greater than 30 percent, there is something up. That’s a red flag,” Conte explained. If you look at the numbers for Jon Jones, his was basically an 80 percent deviation.


“These are highly su****ious for Jon Jones, in my opinion,” Conte said. “This is the reason that sophisticated anti-doping officials do target testing. So based on what we see here, my opinion is Jon Jones should be on a very short leash and should be random tested here until they sort out why he has these anomalies.”

That Jones’ levels were as low as they were should raise a red flag, according to Conte, because the use of performance enhancing drugs could be a potential culprit.

“The question is what was suppressing his testosterone production for that period of time. Something caused it to go down, and I do not believe it was overtraining,” Conte said. “Exogenous testosterone and other steroids in a period of time, depending on dosage and method of administration, can completely shut your testosterone and epitestosterone levels in urine to 0....The levels being low there can be many explanations. [People say], ‘Well maybe it’s because he was taking *******.’ There’s no solid science out there that shows ******* lowers testosterone.

"Typically without using drugs with black males, 50 to 150 would be the normal range [for testosterone], compared to Jon Jones came back his highest level was 4.9. Even on the low end he’s only got 10 percent of that. It’s really, really low,” Conte continued. “It wasn’t just that one time. The first part of December when he tested again the second time it’s still relatively low. Those are in my opinion just highly su****ious, very, very low levels.”

So this could explain why he passed CIR (that's assuming CIR was undertaken) yet still has "highly su****ious" levels.

[pasawayako]

You have proof? Mayweather sure didn't, and he was the one caught with an illegal IV in his arm.

And yet it's the other boxer who isn't doing any illegal things they call a cheater.

[The Big Dunn]

Now you are going to act as If you are unbiased?

I am always up front about which fighter I like. That said, if you use no positive to argue in favor of Manny, you can't then negate a Floyd fan if they use no positive to argue he is clean.

This was my point about asking if Horn/ Manny had PED testing. When posters think Floyd or Ward and others are not testing, they suggest it's possible ( or probable) that fighter is cheating. Then there is no PED testing for Manny/ horn and they say it doesn't raise a red flag or is no big deal because Manny is old etc.

I think we can agree that is clear hypocrisy, regardless of which fighter I like.

[rickJen]

Everyone wants to talk about the mayWeather.
No one wants to do anything about it.
Any solution how you can make this thing go away?

[ironmt]

I am always up front about which fighter I like. That said, if you use no positive to argue in favor of Manny, you can't then negate a Floyd fan if they use no positive to argue he is clean.

This was my point about asking if Horn/ Manny had PED testing. When posters think Floyd or Ward and others are not testing, they suggest it's possible ( or probable) that fighter is cheating. Then there is no PED testing for Manny/ horn and they say it doesn't raise a red flag or is no big deal because Manny is old etc.

I think we can agree that is clear hypocrisy, regardless of which fighter I like.

So do you agree that certain Floyd fans on this board are guilty of twisting Information and making Insinuations In order to fit their agenda of finding Pacquiao guilty of something that was never found to be true?

Do you also agree that those same circumstances are happening with Pacquiao fans against Floyd?

[koolkc107]

Once again.

The Athlete's Biological Passport goes back to 2010.

WADA and USADA have his T/E ratios going back THAT FAR.

They have his levels going back THAT FAR.

There is has been no discrepancy.

Regardless of who was training Floyd.

But, you butthurt guys can keep spinning yarns if it makes you feel better...

But the one thing you can't explain is why, if he was cheating, has his baseline has matched over all this time...

[SonnyboyReturns]

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