Comments Thread For: Brook: Khan is a Media Whore, Likes To Get Done in For Money!

[Floyd Junior]

I disagree with that somewhat, but not totally.

Brook has had some soft touches since beating Porter, but that's no thanks to the IBF enforcing rubbish mandatories, plus he had a career threatening stabbing.

At least Brook went and fought Porter when Porter was very hyped at the time and seen to be very dangerous at WW, just go back on this forum for proof. Now he's fighting the supposed most dangerous up and coming WW when he probably could have vacated and gone to 154 and had a valid excuse that he can't make 147 after going to 160. He also did fight Golovkin when others were avoiding him, yeah he got paid well but he still did it. People say Khan fighting Canelo was similar, it was, but Canelo has never been an avoided fighter like GGG.

Khan has never shown this kind of willingness to fight other top dangerous opponents, not in the last 5-6 years anyway. I think that run of weak opposition between winning the title and the GGG fight have taken a bit of attention away from that fact he's willing to fight dangerous opponents too, and that run of weak opposition wasn't exactly his fault, 2 of them were IBF mandatories and 1 was a comeback from a stabbing. Apart from those mandatories/return from injury, the one before that was against Porter and the ones after were against GGG and Spence.

You can't just look at the names, you have to look at the situations involved.

Brook has had a habit of fighting piss-poor competition way before he even held the IBF belt for them to enforce their mandatories on him. To say Khan didn’t take the risks that Brook did, is nonsense.

For starters, it took Brook 32 fights and 10 years as a pro to finally travel out of the UK and take on a world class opponent. For comparison, it took Khan only 22 fights and 4 years to step up and win a world title. But for a direct “dangerous opponent?comparison to Brook’s Porter, you can look at Maidana ?making it only 25 fights and 5 years. A Maidana that’s better and more dangerous than Porter. And during his reign he at least defended against respectable guys in Malignaggi, Judah, and took on a Garcia on the rise as well as a juiced-up Peterson in his back yard. Brook on the other hand settled for Frankie Gavin, Bizier, and Jo Jo Dan lol.
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And if you’re gonna?give Brook credit for stepping up in fighting GGG, why won’t you give credit to Khan for stepping up and fighting Canelo? If you’re talking about risks, why are you ignoring that one for Khan’s? Especially against a guy who, eventually, we’ll all see hand GGG his first pro loss.

But if we’re entirely objective, we’ll remember that both whored themselves out for those fights. It wasn’t for glory. It was for money. Khan, frustrated with the Mayweather and Pac fights escaping him, settled for the next A-list superstar. Likewise, Brook feeling dejected for not getting the Khan fight, settled for Eubank’s left-over 3-million deal.

And sure enough, this Spence fight is a great one. But let’s not pretend this was their first pick. They got forced into this one. They started preparing for a 147 return when Khan lulled them into a possible showdown. That excuse of no longer being able to make 147 fell flat, and so they couldn’t then be seen to avoid Spence ?the first and only decent defence that’s been asked of him. And also, the options at 154 aren’t exactly appealing either. There are killers up there too, but for far less money. They were stuck between a rock and a hard place, and were forced to take this mandatory.*

I understand the dislike for Khan (because, yes, he is an utter tit), but the double-standards between him and Brook is laughable. Brook's abysmal selection of opponents has been so depressing, that the few moments he does fight a good opponent, we end up congratulating him more than he ought to be. He's taking a fight he's supposed to take, for crying out loud. He shouldn't be getting extra props for it. It's about time .

[deathofaclown]

Brook has had a habit of fighting piss-poor competition way before he even held the IBF belt for them to enforce their mandatories on him. To say Khan didn’t take the risks that Brook did, is nonsense.

For starters, it took Brook 32 fights and 10 years as a pro to finally travel out of the UK and take on a world class opponent. For comparison, it took Khan only 22 fights and 4 years to step up and win a world title. But for a direct “dangerous opponent” comparison to Brook’s Porter, you can look at Maidana – making it only 25 fights and 5 years. A Maidana that’s better and more dangerous than Porter. And during his reign he at least defended against respectable guys in Malignaggi, Judah, and took on a Garcia on the rise as well as a juiced-up Peterson in his back yard. Brook on the other hand settled for Frankie Gavin, Bizier, and Jo Jo Dan lol.
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And if you’re gonna’ give Brook credit for stepping up in fighting GGG, why won’t you give credit to Khan for stepping up and fighting Canelo? If you’re talking about risks, why are you ignoring that one for Khan’s? Especially against a guy who, eventually, we’ll all see hand GGG his first pro loss.

But if we’re entirely objective, we’ll remember that both whored themselves out for those fights. It wasn’t for glory. It was for money. Khan, frustrated with the Mayweather and Pac fights escaping him, settled for the next A-list superstar. Likewise, Brook feeling dejected for not getting the Khan fight, settled for Eubank’s left-over 3-million deal.

And sure enough, this Spence fight is a great one. But let’s not pretend this was their first pick. They got forced into this one. They started preparing for a 147 return when Khan lulled them into a possible showdown. That excuse of no longer being able to make 147 fell flat, and so they couldn’t then be seen to avoid Spence – the first and only decent defence that’s been asked of him. And also, the options at 154 aren’t exactly appealing either. There are killers up there too, but for far less money. They were stuck between a rock and a hard place, and were forced to take this mandatory.*

I understand the dislike for Khan (because, yes, he is an utter tit), but the double-standards between him and Brook is laughable. Brook's abysmal selection of opponents has been so depressing, that the few moments he does fight a good opponent, we end up congratulating him more than he ought to be. He's taking a fight he's supposed to take, for crying out loud. He shouldn't be getting extra props for it. It's about time .

I don't disagree with most of that. Brooks opposition for a long time was poor, nobody can dispute that but since he got a title shot against Porter, if you consider he was given some poor mandatories and been stabbed, then nobody can argue he's getting in the ring with some top opposition too. 3 of his last 6 fights include Errol Spence, Porter, and Golovkin. Brook did fight some poor opposition for years but has since proven that when he's stepped up, he's not been backing away from genuine challenges and that's what matters. Everyone has different routes to world level, some fast, some slow, some difficult and some easy and there's probably a million and one reasons for that, but a real respectable fighter doesn't shy away from challenges once they get there and Brook hasn't.

I never discredited Khan for getting in the ring with Canelo, but the thing is Khan rarely fights now and feels entitled to big fights. He avoided fighting anybody and remained inactive incase it ruined a potential fight with Floyd or Manny. So that's my issue with Khan even before the Canelo fight was announced. He's essentially made himself become irrelevant instead of active because he feels he's entitled to big fights. It's just a shame because Khan hasn't always been that way, just in the past 3-4 years. I get it though, we all know he's always a good punch away from being stopped and potentially ruining big plans.

To be honest, one of the things i used to like about Khan was that he had balls. Everyone knew he might not be able to take a good shot and can be stopped but he used to be willing to fight anybody. I just find it disappointing the way things have changed when it comes to Khan because he would be a good addition to the WW division but he isn't willing to get in the mix right now.

[Ray*]

Brook has had a habit of fighting piss-poor competition way before he even held the IBF belt for them to enforce their mandatories on him. To say Khan didn’t take the risks that Brook did, is nonsense.

For starters, it took Brook 32 fights and 10 years as a pro to finally travel out of the UK and take on a world class opponent. For comparison, it took Khan only 22 fights and 4 years to step up and win a world title. But for a direct “dangerous opponent?comparison to Brook’s Porter, you can look at Maidana ?making it only 25 fights and 5 years. A Maidana that’s better and more dangerous than Porter. And during his reign he at least defended against respectable guys in Malignaggi, Judah, and took on a Garcia on the rise as well as a juiced-up Peterson in his back yard. Brook on the other hand settled for Frankie Gavin, Bizier, and Jo Jo Dan lol.
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And if you’re gonna?give Brook credit for stepping up in fighting GGG, why won’t you give credit to Khan for stepping up and fighting Canelo? If you’re talking about risks, why are you ignoring that one for Khan’s? Especially against a guy who, eventually, we’ll all see hand GGG his first pro loss.

But if we’re entirely objective, we’ll remember that both whored themselves out for those fights. It wasn’t for glory. It was for money. Khan, frustrated with the Mayweather and Pac fights escaping him, settled for the next A-list superstar. Likewise, Brook feeling dejected for not getting the Khan fight, settled for Eubank’s left-over 3-million deal.

And sure enough, this Spence fight is a great one. But let’s not pretend this was their first pick. They got forced into this one. They started preparing for a 147 return when Khan lulled them into a possible showdown. That excuse of no longer being able to make 147 fell flat, and so they couldn’t then be seen to avoid Spence ?the first and only decent defence that’s been asked of him. And also, the options at 154 aren’t exactly appealing either. There are killers up there too, but for far less money. They were stuck between a rock and a hard place, and were forced to take this mandatory.*

I understand the dislike for Khan (because, yes, he is an utter tit), but the double-standards between him and Brook is laughable. Brook's abysmal selection of opponents has been so depressing, that the few moments he does fight a good opponent, we end up congratulating him more than he ought to be. He's taking a fight he's supposed to take, for crying out loud. He shouldn't be getting extra props for it. It's about time .

Well said, finally someone with a brain and zero bias bone.

[alexguiness]

Brook is actually telling the truth, most causal fans pay to watch Khan get KTFO.

And Khan is happy to take their $$$ so everyone gets what they want!

[shahida TKO]

khan is a tit, hes not a boxer anymore, he was in india a few days ago promoting the SBL ( super boxing leauge) which he owns along with the SFL ( super fight leauge) so he aint fighting anymore coz he doesnt want a loss that would hurt his REP, he is trying to make it big in india and south asia, little does he know that boxing wont take off in india and pakistan mainly cultural and mostly coz its a minority sport and cricket is too big.

[Floyd Junior]

I don't disagree with most of that. Brooks opposition for a long time was poor, nobody can dispute that but since he got a title shot against Porter, if you consider he was given some poor mandatories and been stabbed, then nobody can argue he's getting in the ring with some top opposition too. 3 of his last 6 fights include Errol Spence, Porter, and Golovkin. Brook did fight some poor opposition for years but has since proven that when he's stepped up, he's not been backing away from genuine challenges and that's what matters. Everyone has different routes to world level, some fast, some slow, some difficult and some easy and there's probably a million and one reasons for that, but a real respectable fighter doesn't shy away from challenges once they get there and Brook hasn't.

I never discredited Khan for getting in the ring with Canelo, but the thing is Khan rarely fights now and feels entitled to big fights. He avoided fighting anybody and remained inactive incase it ruined a potential fight with Floyd or Manny. So that's my issue with Khan even before the Canelo fight was announced. He's essentially made himself become irrelevant instead of active because he feels he's entitled to big fights. It's just a shame because Khan hasn't always been that way, just in the past 3-4 years. I get it though, we all know he's always a good punch away from being stopped and potentially ruining big plans.

To be honest, one of the things i used to like about Khan was that he had balls. Everyone knew he might not be able to take a good shot and can be stopped but he used to be willing to fight anybody. I just find it disappointing the way things have changed when it comes to Khan because he would be a good addition to the WW division but he isn't willing to get in the mix right now.

I personally can't be as forgiving towards Brook as you can and I don't buy those mandatory excuses (which were a convenient reason for them to wait safely until the Khan showdown eventually came their way). And some are happy to use the stabbing excuse for him being inactive and not fighting the best, yet won't afford that same leniency to Khan when he had hand surgeries and sent on wild goose-chases by Mayweather and Pacquiao. A Khan who, in that same period, still had a much better run of opposition than Brook's defences. Collazo, Alexander and Algieri >>>>> Frankie Gavin, Bizier, Jo Jo Dan. Like I said, double-standards and all.

But other than that, I agree with you, my man. Khan in the latter part of his career has been an incredibly frustrating person to support - for all of the reasons you've stated. His deluded sense of entitlement and poor business decisions has destroyed whatever respect he had. Near to the point of becoming completely irrelevant. But it is what it is, I guess. Maybe his handlers know that he's a liability against punchers. And that now, late in his career, it's about maximising financial returns in relation to types of risk.