If boxers can get good money and fight a style that takes the least damage

[IronDanHamza]

Oh, the question is ****** but the thread premise isn't? One that Larry conjured up because someone in another thread probably criticised boring fighters?

The premise of Larry's thread is for fighters to disregard fans wishes and avoid damage, make money and **** everything.

But the easiest way to do that is by taking easy fights.

But wait. No. People are gonna qualify this on Larry's behalf. He's talking about fighters fighting smart in tough fights, even though he didn't say that. He just wants fighters to look out for their own best interests.

But their own best interests would be taking easy paydays against soft opposition. But no wait, Larry wasn't saying that. He wants fighters to fight the best but fight cautious, because fans don't care about them. Right. OK. But talking tough fights are risky for fighters, and fighters shouldn't do that because as Larry says, fighters won't care about them post-retirement. Money, health, **** everything else.

That's your view.

Larry's thread is about styles and he's made that quite clear.

Hence why the probable reason why he didn't reply to your question.

[SUBZER0ED]

Hey, this is the hurt business. It's a more civilized version of the ancient gladiator days, when ****** were required to fight to the death. Now instead of a fatality, people pay to see a good fight. I understand not going for broke and risking one's health, but there has to be a balance. That's where the art of "Hit & not get hit" comes in. If fighters get so cautious that what they end up doing in the ring amounts to a glorified dance off, there are going to be some dissatisfied customers. Fighters need to do what they are paid to do in such a way that pleases those who pay for it. Otherwise, they risk losing popularity and seeing their paychecks dwindle.

[boxinghead530]

Why is that even important? What they do with their money after the fact is on them. Does Ruslan Provodnikov or John Molina Jr. have a million in the bank?

We all have our preferences and I respect that. But until somebody can show me a correlation between fighting style and earnings, it's all speculation.

Now winning and earnings? How can you even argue against that?

Well this thread is about being a boring fighter and winning and making good money. That's why I'm stating there money making.

Just imagine if every fighter was like Rigo or Lara. Boxing would be absolutely dead.

Look I love a good technical boxer but my thing is box the **** out of your opponent for the first half of the fight then in the last half or the last few round put the hammer down and try and get the KO. If a fighter is just content with being technical the whole way and not trying to get his opponent out of there then in his next fight or future fights id be less inclined to watch him fight and therefore would lead to less revenue for that fighter.

[hhs661]

Why in the hell would they take risks in fights that may get them hurt to please people who wont give a damn about them should they take great damage? win, get your money and stay healthy..**** everything else

If the best fight the best I'm all for it. Have a game-plan, apply it and adjust if need be.

My only issue w/ that is when they fight guys levels below them and still play it safe. If you know you're fighting a guy that isn't a threat after the first quarter or even half of the fight, then put a little more into your offensive attack. I'm all for technicians being technicians, but I also love seeing the class that separates the good to the great to the world class boxers as well

[-PBP-]

Well this thread is about being a boring fighter and winning and making good money. That's why I'm stating there money making.

Just imagine if every fighter was like Rigo or Lara. Boxing would be absolutely dead.

Look I love a good technical boxer but my thing is box the **** out of your opponent for the first half of the fight then in the last half or the last few round put the hammer down and try and get the KO. If a fighter is just content with being technical the whole way and not trying to get his opponent out of there then in his next fight or future fights id be less inclined to watch him fight and therefore would lead to less revenue for that fighter.

Boxing is a sport consisting of numerous styles. If every fighter was like Ruslan Provodnikov it would be dead too. Not only the sport but the fighters themselves would be braindead.

Your entitled to your opinion. I'm just saying, winners make money. Wining comes first, style points are secondary.

[Larry the boss]

Larry will now finally emerge, using the reasoning given by other posters

I have no idea what you are talking about...all i am talking about is styles

[Larry the boss]

And how many fighters does this apply to? Who are the boring fighters that are making good money at this time?

why is Ward making more then Kovalev?

[GhostofDempsey]

Rigo and Lara are terrible examples because they have a language barrier and a are from countries that do not support them. If Rigo was William Riggins from Brooklyn New York he would be much more accepted. Exciting Cuban fighters such as Luis Ortiz and Yuriorkis Gamboa are suffering from the same issues as Rigo and Lara. Yet Rigo and Lara have still made a ton more money and have been on bigger stages than they have.

Charlie Burley came up in an era with hostile race relations and did not have the platform to promote himself like today's fighters do. Another poor example.

Pernell Whitaker (although he blew it on *******), Mayweather, Bernard Hopkins, Wlad and Andre Ward have made millions of dollars in their boxing careers. And they achieved the financial success and ring accomplishments by winning.

You're criticizing the paydays of Rigo, Lara and Ward but fail to mention the paydays of Provodnikov, Francisco Vargas, Lucas Matthysse, John Molina Jr., Kamegai, James Kirkland, Glen Tapia, Mike Alvarado, Brandon Rios, Kryztof Glowacki, Fonfara, Khurtsidze, Adrian Granados, Ivan Redkach, Rocky Martinez, and other action fighters that have been in barnburners over the past several years.

Where have these guys been lately? What are the paydays in heir recent fights looking like? Did being in fight of the year candidates help them out in the long term?

Barrera, Morales, Marquez, and Duran had language barriers too...look at the heaps of money they earned. They didn't get there by being boring or safety first. Half the brawlers you mention on your list also suffer from the same language barriers you claim Lara and Rigo are a victim of, can't have it both ways.

Burley's problem was that he was a boring fighter. Robinson, Louis, Armstrong, Charles fought through the same race barriers as Burley, yet they made money by being great fighters who entertained the fans with a healthy balance of defense and offense.

For every Hopkins and Ward, there are ten fighters who earned as much and had fan-friendly styles. I'm not advocating for a Provodnikov that fights with his face, but lets have some balance and nuance that keeps fans interested and getting their money's worth while winning. That's what Pacquiao, De La Hoya, Tyson, Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Mosley, and countless others have accomplished and still managed to give us GREAT fights.

Wlad got his share of KO's and wasn't always the clinching and grabbing snoozer that he is now. Hopkins is another snake-oil salesman. Selling an image and persona, and made his biggest money on the name of his opponents. His acting performance versus Jones in their rematch was disgraceful.

[alexguiness]

Depends on why you box.

If the sole reason is money, then Larry is 100% correct.

On the other hand if you want to be revered and remembered, take risks and fight the best.

That is why Floyd is so divisive, he gets salty when he doesn't get props, but loves telling everyone how rich he is.

You can't have both, it's either love of money or love of fighting.

[djtmal]

if ya so concerned about your health, why get into boxing aka prizefighting then...there's tons of ways you can make money that don't involve anyone throwing a punch at you...

but anyways...

more power to any of these boxers that get paid to basically dance, stay out of range all fight, and put in a potshot every here and there and don't take no risks at all to close the show with a knockout, or at least try for the knockout..stick and move is one thing, stick and run is another...

...some guys imo are very in tuned to how get their points per round, have a winning scorecard, and get their hand raised at the end of 12...thats a guy that would not see a dollar from me though honestly...

give me a high speed chess match with two guys who want to throw down for supremacy, or if its one marquee name carrying the event, like a roy or hamed, be entertaining...be like the harlem globetrotters of boxing...,

boxing now is more about the marketing and the buildup of the event, but the fight itself doesn't live up to the hype......its like the movie friday, when chris tucker was hyped because he thought he was meeting janet jackson, but he was actually meeting freddie jackson...

they should just promote what it is, an exhibition...two guys who want to box not fight, and don't want to get hit too much for 12 rounds, and want you to pay top dollar because some celebs will be there...lol