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    #71
    Originally posted by travestyny View Post
    NSAC also clearly stated that Floyd did nothing wrong. Is there anything you don't understand about that?
    So Diaz doesn't let the NSAC know about his marijuana use and the NSAC uses it against him.
    So Manny checks the wrong check box on a pre-fight form and the NSAC uses it against him even though Manny never used the substance in the fight and went and fought without it. Still, NSAC requested an investigation.

    Floyd did not notify the NSAC even though the pre-fight form clearly brings up that the NSAC wants to know about serious medical conditions, IVs, explanation on how Floyd took his vitamins (by way of an IV).

    Yet the Nevada hometown Floyd did nothing wrong says the Nevada SAC? That is a change in stance! Oh yes, the NSAC blamed USADA instead!


    Again, the TUEC is an independent group of 3 doctors who didn't have Mayweather's name on the application. Feel free to continue speculating about what they did. Unless you are on the TUE committee, I'm sure you have no idea what you are talking about. Again. Mayweather's name was not revealed to the TUEC as per the rules.
    I see more DEFLECTIONS from you!

    Like I said, Floyd has a close relationship with USADA and Floyd's side pays off USADA. Per the rules stated by the head of WADA TUE Committee, USADA must be TOTALLY independent and called it "murky", "red flag".

    When a TUE application is filled out by Floyd, who does the form go to? USADA!!!!
    Even then, how many RETRO TUEs for an IV would they be expecting during that time period? 1 So that means that they would know who they are giving a pass too.

    USADA establishes their own TUEC. USADA members can discuss with the TUEC. So for YOU to say that its not possible is so wrong on your part but you are just DEFLECTING!!!

    I even told you what the head of the WADA TUE Committee said about USADA/Floyd .... "Murky, REd Flag, ...."



    -------------------------------------------
    Here is the TUE Form with Floyd's name but still, for Floyd, its only a phone call away!!!

    "The****utic Use Exemption (TUE) Application"

    Last Name: Mayweather
    First Name: Floyd
    Sport/Discipline: BOXING
    Daytime Phone: ___________
    Email: ________________

    Please submit your application to the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency: By E-mail: [email protected]
    -------------------------------------------------

    1) So USADA should be totally independent BUT clearly is not in the FLoyd case!!!

    2)
    a) TUEC: WADA states that "a majority" should have no conflict of interest. So that means that there can be at least 1 member in that group that can be!!! That is all it takes sometimes to spoil the party by influencing the others ....

    "In order to ensure a level of independence of decisions, the majority of the members of any TUEC should be free of conflicts of interest or political responsibility in the Anti-Doping Organization"

    b) Now even with the TUEC, WADA realizes that there is a possibility that there can be a conflict but Travestyny thinks that is not possible:
    "Ideally, in order to avoid possible conflicts of interest, all members of TUECs should be independent of the ADO."

    So the key word is "Ideally"

    c) Not all TUEC members need to be an expert. Only 1 member needs to.
    "In practice, at least one expert should have in-depth knowledge of the specific medical sector pertaining to the application."


    d) Since only 1 TUEC member needs to be an expert and at least one member can have a conflict of interest, then this 1 member can easily influence the decision .... BOOM!


    Now add the point that USADA is CLEARLY not totally independent ............ BOOOOOM!

    So I see lots of loopholes/issues that can happen but Travestyny cannot see the possibility

    and there is more ....

    Yea. USADA is heavy hitters in boxing right now. Great job, Floyd. (that's sarcasm, in case you didn't know). Way to keep speculating....based on being a butthurt fan of the loser.
    Man you cannot admit to anything even if it hits you in the face and is totally obvious. Floyd helped USADA out and there is a relationship there for 6 years. If you cannot admit to that, what can I say.

    May I remind you that WADA had the right to review and reverse the decision. WADA did not.

    Let me remind you that you never complained when Bob Arum was paying for VADA testing. Did you?
    May I remind you that I do not care who it is but to compare what you did with Floyd/USADA? Did you see how USADA defended Floyd compared to how USADA threw Manny under the bus knowing full well that Floyd did NOT notify NSAC either?

    Plus Floyd was allowed to use a banned method while Manny was not allowed to even have his own vitamins in his locker room.

    lol

    The rest is all DEFLECTIONS from you because you have nothing. Well, how can you go against the "head of WADA TUE Committee"

    Was the DCO present during these other athletes use of an IV? When are you going to acknowledge that these situations are not the same. AGAIN, THE DCO WAS PRESENT WHEN MAYWEATHER HAD THE IV. THE DCO ALSO TOOK A PARTIAL SAMPLE FROM BEFORE THE IV. THIS DID NOT HAPPEN IN THE OTHER CASES.

    Like I keep telling you, it does NOT matter if the DCO was there. If those athletes had a good enough explanation, they may have been granted the RETRO TUE as well!




    Here is their twisted look at RETRO TUEs and this was in respect to one of those athletes .... just unbelievable! The head of WADA TUE Committee would be flipping at the below statements.


    “There is a process called a retroactive TUE, which would allow an athlete to go back and say, ‘Hey, I made a mistake by not submitting my TUE (ahead of time), but here’s my records showing I really did need this medically,” Novitzky said. “Generally, an athlete could be afforded that process where they could go back to their doctor and show why there was a medical need for it.”



    Novitzky said any such request would have been thoroughly vetted. Again, he stressed his comments were about the process in general and was not referring specifically to Penn’s case.

    “Once that’s submitted, it goes to a TUE committee that USADA has, a group of experts and medical doctors that look at the application to determine whether or not there was a medical need,” he said. “So both of those things, putting together the request and then the committee reviewing it, can be a matter of weeks or, in extreme cases, months.”

    It was nearly two months from the time Penn admitted he had used an IV until a notice of a potential violation of the anti-doping policy was announced.


    I voluntarily disclosed to USADA that during a nonfight period that I had an IV administered under the care of a doctor,” wrote Penn,


    Like I said, for Floyd it was not weeks. The day after the request was made, it was rubber stamped and a RETRO TUE BS was given to Floyd.

    For one, it's not clear if they checked or not since they are not given the athletes names. Second, if USADA followed the rules, and WADA dropped the ball.......then WADA dropped the ball. STFU and go complain to WADA that they should comb through their database for cases involving IV's around May 2015.
    Floyd's reps paid USADA lots of money directly for the drug testing. NOT WADA.

    Man, you are still blaming WADA who states does not have the resources to check all its cases versus USADA that we both know had a direct impact on Floyd getting a RETRO TUE.

    Amazing!!! Come on you can do it. Its time that you blame USADA for rubber stamping this for Floyd compared to others who had to go thru weeks/months of investigations and so on and then get suspended in the process!!!! See above for an example!




    Yes. NSAC also confirmed that Mayweather did nothing wrong. How about you go back, read that statement, and stfu. Stop your crying.

    Are you serious? That is one of the many problems about this that I point out. Floyd did something wrong by not notifying the NSAC. In the same fight, the NSAC had requested Manny to be investigated over a check box!

    What you mean to say is that Manny tried to cheat and got caught, and had no choice but to not cheat. On the other hand, Mayweather followed the rules that were in place at that time for USADA and NSAC. So again....you have nothing. Shut the **** up already.
    Like Manny not checking the check box, Diaz not letting the NSAC know about his marijuana use in the pre-fight form, Floyd did NOT notify the NSAC until after the fight.

    The NSAC is stating that there is 1 rule for Floyd and one for everyone else!!! You are DEFLECTING AGAIN!!!


    DCO was present and witnessed the need for an IV according to the statement released to the public. Maybe he checked the bowl for diarrhea. Why don't you go get the medical records and report back to us.
    Speculation is not even the right word here. If Floyd had diarrhea, then an IV does not cure that. He should still have that after. Yet, miraculously didn't require an IV soon after because we saw him drinking EASILY water in the FloydHype video.


    DCO is NOT a doctor. He witnessed Floyd just like you and me did. What did you see? I saw Floyd drinking away with NO PROBLEM!!! Now go check what the head of the WADA TUE Committee has to say when that is the case ..............

    KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

    Wrong. NSAC didn't stop him from using Toradol throughout his training camp, did they? Or are you trying to argue that Mayweather was taking an IV an hour before the fight? Hmmm.

    Give up, clown.
    Clown, Manny indicated (notified) the NSAC in the pre-fight form that he used it!!!

    NSAC was complaining that Diaz didn't tell them about his marijuana use some 7 + days before the fight and used that against him when it came time to assess Diaz's punishment ....... BOOOM.

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      #72
      Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
      So Diaz doesn't let the NSAC know about his marijuana use and the NSAC uses it against him.
      So Manny checks the wrong check box on a pre-fight form and the NSAC uses it against him even though Manny never used the substance in the fight and went and fought without it. Still, NSAC requested an investigation.

      Floyd did not notify the NSAC even though the pre-fight form clearly brings up that the NSAC wants to know about serious medical conditions, IVs, explanation on how Floyd took his vitamins (by way of an IV).

      Yet the Nevada hometown Floyd did nothing wrong says the Nevada SAC? That is a change in stance! Oh yes, the NSAC blamed USADA instead!




      I see more DEFLECTIONS from you!

      Like I said, Floyd has a close relationship with USADA and Floyd's side pays off USADA. Per the rules stated by the head of WADA TUE Committee, USADA must be TOTALLY independent and called it "murky", "red flag".

      When a TUE application is filled out by Floyd, who does the form go to? USADA!!!!
      Even then, how many RETRO TUEs for an IV would they be expecting during that time period? 1 So that means that they would know who they are giving a pass too.

      USADA establishes their own TUEC. USADA members can discuss with the TUEC. So for YOU to say that its not possible is so wrong on your part but you are just DEFLECTING!!!

      I even told you what the head of the WADA TUE Committee said about USADA/Floyd .... "Murky, REd Flag, ...."



      -------------------------------------------
      Here is the TUE Form with Floyd's name but still, for Floyd, its only a phone call away!!!

      "The****utic Use Exemption (TUE) Application"

      Last Name: Mayweather
      First Name: Floyd
      Sport/Discipline: BOXING
      Daytime Phone: ___________
      Email: ________________

      Please submit your application to the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency: By E-mail: [email protected]
      -------------------------------------------------

      1) So USADA should be totally independent BUT clearly is not in the FLoyd case!!!

      2)
      a) TUEC: WADA states that "a majority" should have no conflict of interest. So that means that there can be at least 1 member in that group that can be!!! That is all it takes sometimes to spoil the party by influencing the others ....

      "In order to ensure a level of independence of decisions, the majority of the members of any TUEC should be free of conflicts of interest or political responsibility in the Anti-Doping Organization"

      b) Now even with the TUEC, WADA realizes that there is a possibility that there can be a conflict but Travestyny thinks that is not possible:
      "Ideally, in order to avoid possible conflicts of interest, all members of TUECs should be independent of the ADO."

      So the key word is "Ideally"

      c) Not all TUEC members need to be an expert. Only 1 member needs to.
      "In practice, at least one expert should have in-depth knowledge of the specific medical sector pertaining to the application."


      d) Since only 1 TUEC member needs to be an expert and at least one member can have a conflict of interest, then this 1 member can easily influence the decision .... BOOM!


      Now add the point that USADA is CLEARLY not totally independent ............ BOOOOOM!

      So I see lots of loopholes/issues that can happen but Travestyny cannot see the possibility

      and there is more ....



      Man you cannot admit to anything even if it hits you in the face and is totally obvious. Floyd helped USADA out and there is a relationship there for 6 years. If you cannot admit to that, what can I say.



      May I remind you that I do not care who it is but to compare what you did with Floyd/USADA? Did you see how USADA defended Floyd compared to how USADA threw Manny under the bus knowing full well that Floyd did NOT notify NSAC either?

      Plus Floyd was allowed to use a banned method while Manny was not allowed to even have his own vitamins in his locker room.

      lol

      The rest is all DEFLECTIONS from you because you have nothing. Well, how can you go against the "head of WADA TUE Committee"




      Like I keep telling you, it does NOT matter if the DCO was there. If those athletes had a good enough explanation, they may have been granted the RETRO TUE as well!




      Here is their twisted look at RETRO TUEs and this was in respect to one of those athletes .... just unbelievable! The head of WADA TUE Committee would be flipping at the below statements.


      “There is a process called a retroactive TUE, which would allow an athlete to go back and say, ‘Hey, I made a mistake by not submitting my TUE (ahead of time), but here’s my records showing I really did need this medically,” Novitzky said. “Generally, an athlete could be afforded that process where they could go back to their doctor and show why there was a medical need for it.”



      Novitzky said any such request would have been thoroughly vetted. Again, he stressed his comments were about the process in general and was not referring specifically to Penn’s case.

      “Once that’s submitted, it goes to a TUE committee that USADA has, a group of experts and medical doctors that look at the application to determine whether or not there was a medical need,” he said. “So both of those things, putting together the request and then the committee reviewing it, can be a matter of weeks or, in extreme cases, months.”

      It was nearly two months from the time Penn admitted he had used an IV until a notice of a potential violation of the anti-doping policy was announced.


      I voluntarily disclosed to USADA that during a nonfight period that I had an IV administered under the care of a doctor,” wrote Penn,


      Like I said, for Floyd it was not weeks. The day after the request was made, it was rubber stamped and a RETRO TUE BS was given to Floyd.



      Floyd's reps paid USADA lots of money directly for the drug testing. NOT WADA.

      Man, you are still blaming WADA who states does not have the resources to check all its cases versus USADA that we both know had a direct impact on Floyd getting a RETRO TUE.

      Amazing!!! Come on you can do it. Its time that you blame USADA for rubber stamping this for Floyd compared to others who had to go thru weeks/months of investigations and so on and then get suspended in the process!!!! See above for an example!







      Are you serious? That is one of the many problems about this that I point out. Floyd did something wrong by not notifying the NSAC. In the same fight, the NSAC had requested Manny to be investigated over a check box!



      Like Manny not checking the check box, Diaz not letting the NSAC know about his marijuana use in the pre-fight form, Floyd did NOT notify the NSAC until after the fight.

      The NSAC is stating that there is 1 rule for Floyd and one for everyone else!!! You are DEFLECTING AGAIN!!!




      Speculation is not even the right word here. If Floyd had diarrhea, then an IV does not cure that. He should still have that after. Yet, miraculously didn't require an IV soon after because we saw him drinking EASILY water in the FloydHype video.


      DCO is NOT a doctor. He witnessed Floyd just like you and me did. What did you see? I saw Floyd drinking away with NO PROBLEM!!! Now go check what the head of the WADA TUE Committee has to say when that is the case ..............

      KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!



      Clown, Manny indicated (notified) the NSAC in the pre-fight form that he used it!!!

      NSAC was complaining that Diaz didn't tell them about his marijuana use some 7 + days before the fight and used that against him when it came time to assess Diaz's punishment ....... BOOOM.
      Aren't you tired of writing so much bullshlt. You really have to stop being ******ed. Here:

      The TUEC is the group of doctors and medical experts that review your TUE application and recommend whether the TUE should be approved or denied based on the criteria in the WADA International Standard of TUEs. Each anti-doping agency and International Federation has its own TUEC. Your identity is never revealed to the TUEC.


      Does that take care of all of your TUEC bullshlt?

      2. It does matter that the DCO was present and took a sample from before the IV. If you can't understand that, then you're a moron. In fact...we know you're a moron.

      3. How was USADA going to do this testing if they weren't paid by the promotor. I'm pretty sure I don't have to read through your bullshlt to see you ducked that Arum paid for VADA testing, which according to you means VADA was not independent. Which perhaps means there was more to Manny's Back Acne than you want to admit.

      4. All members of the TUEC must sign a conflict of interest and confidentiality declaration.
      Says that in plain English in the ISTUE.

      5. That there need to be a TUEC member who is an expert is regarding athletes with impairments. Did you read that part. Maybe you couldn't comprehend because you have an impairment.

      6. USADA did not throw Manny under the bus. You need to stop blaming everyone for Pacquaio's loss.

      A - It's not the judges fault
      B - It's not the ref's fault
      C - It's not USADA's fault
      D - It's not the TUEC's fault
      E - It's not the lab's fault
      F - It's not NSAC's fault


      It's Pacquiao's fault for not being good enough. Get the **** over it.

      6. WADA confirmed that under the 2015 World Anti-Doping Code and the International Standard for The****utic Use Exemptions (ISTUE), a retroactive TUE can be granted for an IV drip to combat dehydration. “For a case that would be monitored by WADA, yes the ISTUE could allow for intravenous infusions to be used in instances of dehydration”, a WADA spokesperson told the Sports Integrity Initiative.


      Thank you for clearing that up, WADA.

      7. NSAC has never found someone to be dehydrated. I've told you this a million times, and you come back with nothing.

      8. The DCO doesn't have to be a doctor to note that someone is dehydrated. Doesn't the DCO check not only the color of the urine, but also perform the specific gravity test. What does specific gravity measure, ****head?

      KABOOM--You're still a butthurt moron. Give the **** up!

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        #73
        Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
        When a TUE application is filled out by Floyd, who does the form go to? USADA!!!!
        Even then, how many RETRO TUEs for an IV would they be expecting during that time period? 1 So that means that they would know who they are giving a pass too.
        LMAO. This is a great example of how ****** you are. So you're saying that the TUEC should be able to guess who the athlete is who is applying for a retroactive TUE for an IV drip?


        You're a complete utter idiot.

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          #74
          IV'S is exclusively use and allow to be use for floyd mayweather jr. only.

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            #75
            Originally posted by travestyny View Post
            Aren't you tired of writing so much bullshlt. You really have to stop being ******ed. Here:

            The TUEC is the group of doctors and medical experts that review your TUE application and recommend whether the TUE should be approved or denied based on the criteria in the WADA International Standard of TUEs. Each anti-doping agency and International Federation has its own TUEC. Your identity is never revealed to the TUEC.


            Does that take care of all of your TUEC bullshlt?

            2. It does matter that the DCO was present and took a sample from before the IV. If you can't understand that, then you're a moron. In fact...we know you're a moron.

            3. How was USADA going to do this testing if they weren't paid by the promotor. I'm pretty sure I don't have to read through your bullshlt to see you ducked that Arum paid for VADA testing, which according to you means VADA was not independent. Which perhaps means there was more to Manny's Back Acne than you want to admit.

            4. All members of the TUEC must sign a conflict of interest and confidentiality declaration.
            Says that in plain English in the ISTUE.

            5. That there need to be a TUEC member who is an expert is regarding athletes with impairments. Did you read that part. Maybe you couldn't comprehend because you have an impairment.

            6. USADA did not throw Manny under the bus. You need to stop blaming everyone for Pacquaio's loss.

            A - It's not the judges fault
            B - It's not the ref's fault
            C - It's not USADA's fault
            D - It's not the TUEC's fault
            E - It's not the lab's fault
            F - It's not NSAC's fault


            It's Pacquiao's fault for not being good enough. Get the **** over it.

            6. WADA confirmed that under the 2015 World Anti-Doping Code and the International Standard for The****utic Use Exemptions (ISTUE), a retroactive TUE can be granted for an IV drip to combat dehydration. “For a case that would be monitored by WADA, yes the ISTUE could allow for intravenous infusions to be used in instances of dehydration”, a WADA spokesperson told the Sports Integrity Initiative.


            Thank you for clearing that up, WADA.

            7. NSAC has never found someone to be dehydrated. I've told you this a million times, and you come back with nothing.

            8. The DCO doesn't have to be a doctor to note that someone is dehydrated. Doesn't the DCO check not only the color of the urine, but also perform the specific gravity test. What does specific gravity measure, ****head?

            KABOOM--You're still a butthurt moron. Give the **** up!
            MAN, you hit a new low in DEFLECTING!!!

            You used to not agree with me and who knows, maybe you still do not .....

            BUT

            USADA is supposed to be TOTALLY INDEPENDANT but as the head of WADA TUE Committee pointed out, they are NOT in this case. Start with that and then you will understand it all!!! So to say, "supposed to" and "being" is 2 totally different things. USADA established the TUEC. WADA even gives USADA the room to change up their TUEC for individual cases.

            This is the same USADA that called it unethical that Lance Armstrong was paying the UCI with drug testing.

            Furthermore, using their own words, not mine, USADA clearly states that it is up to them to decide who to investigate and who to not.

            Floyd pays USADA lots of money for 6+ years and Floyd's reps pay USADA for other boxers as well.

            USADA should have but did not investigated. If they did they would have found out that Floyd was in good condition just before the IV and was able to drink fluids orally with no problem just before the IV.

            Even then, as far as TUECs are concerned, It does NOT take a genius to add this all up and realize where this failed big time. You remove one side of the evidence and all you have is Floyd's doctored evidence presented to the TUEC. Enough said!


            I know why you deflected. For one, what your expert Novitsky said about RETRO TUEs was pathetic. I feel for you, friend! You had no choice but to hide your head in the sand!!!


            Then Novitsky admits that RETRO TUE requests would be thoroughly vetted .... exception, FLOYD!!!



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            Last edited by ADP02; 03-06-2017, 01:20 AM.

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              #76
              Originally posted by travestyny View Post
              LMAO. This is a great example of how ****** you are. So you're saying that the TUEC should be able to guess who the athlete is who is applying for a retroactive TUE for an IV drip?


              You're a complete utter idiot.
              Wait. Didn't you say months ago that WADA would have certainly looked at this high profile RETRO TUE case since it was a huge fight? You went even further but you should remember more than me ...


              Nope, that was on the line of what you said (see above on WADA investigating this).

              What I'm saying is that USADA can establish TUEC's on an individual basis. Either while setting up the TUEC or during the process, TUECs can discuss cases with certain USADA individuals. So there are multiple avenues for this to go wrong in that someone communicates that there is going to be a RETRO TUE request on an banned IV method coming up tomorrow .... wink wink. How many similar requests do you think happens on a daily/weekly basis? Not many and more than likely, just one!!!





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              Last edited by ADP02; 03-06-2017, 01:20 AM.

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                #77
                Originally posted by pasawayako View Post
                IV'S is exclusively use and allow to be use for floyd mayweather jr. only.
                You must have rabies to be that ******.

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by travestyny View Post
                  Aren't you tired of writing so much bullshlt. You really have to stop being ******ed. Here:

                  The TUEC is the group of doctors and medical experts that review your TUE application and recommend whether the TUE should be approved or denied based on the criteria in the WADA International Standard of TUEs. Each anti-doping agency and International Federation has its own TUEC. Your identity is never revealed to the TUEC.


                  Does that take care of all of your TUEC bullshlt?

                  2. It does matter that the DCO was present and took a sample from before the IV. If you can't understand that, then you're a moron. In fact...we know you're a moron.

                  3. How was USADA going to do this testing if they weren't paid by the promotor. I'm pretty sure I don't have to read through your bullshlt to see you ducked that Arum paid for VADA testing, which according to you means VADA was not independent. Which perhaps means there was more to Manny's Back Acne than you want to admit.

                  4. All members of the TUEC must sign a conflict of interest and confidentiality declaration.
                  Says that in plain English in the ISTUE.

                  5. That there need to be a TUEC member who is an expert is regarding athletes with impairments. Did you read that part. Maybe you couldn't comprehend because you have an impairment.

                  6. USADA did not throw Manny under the bus. You need to stop blaming everyone for Pacquaio's loss.

                  A - It's not the judges fault
                  B - It's not the ref's fault
                  C - It's not USADA's fault
                  D - It's not the TUEC's fault
                  E - It's not the lab's fault
                  F - It's not NSAC's fault


                  It's Pacquiao's fault for not being good enough. Get the **** over it.

                  6. WADA confirmed that under the 2015 World Anti-Doping Code and the International Standard for The****utic Use Exemptions (ISTUE), a retroactive TUE can be granted for an IV drip to combat dehydration. “For a case that would be monitored by WADA, yes the ISTUE could allow for intravenous infusions to be used in instances of dehydration”, a WADA spokesperson told the Sports Integrity Initiative.


                  Thank you for clearing that up, WADA.

                  7. NSAC has never found someone to be dehydrated. I've told you this a million times, and you come back with nothing.

                  8. The DCO doesn't have to be a doctor to note that someone is dehydrated. Doesn't the DCO check not only the color of the urine, but also perform the specific gravity test. What does specific gravity measure, ****head?

                  KABOOM--You're still a butthurt moron. Give the **** up!
                  You're killing that guy....yet he keeps lying and playing ******.

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                    Wait. Didn't you say months ago that WADA would have certainly looked at this high profile RETRO TUE case since it was a huge fight? You went even further but you should remember more than me ...


                    Nope, that was on the line of what you said (see above on WADA investigating this).

                    What I'm saying is that USADA can establish TUEC's on an individual basis. Either while setting up the TUEC or during the process, TUECs can discuss cases with certain USADA individuals. So there are multiple avenues for this to go wrong in that someone communicates that there is going to be a RETRO TUE request on an banned IV method coming up tomorrow .... wink wink. How many similar requests do you think happens on a daily/weekly basis? Not many and more than likely, just one!!!





                    .
                    You are confused. The quote was after a WADA spokesperson was asked about Mayweather's case.

                    Now how the hell was WADA or USADA supposed to know who this retro TUE was for. It could be for any athlete. It could have even been for Pacquiao. Derp.

                    Quotation clearly says the name is NEVER given.

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                      #80
                      Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                      MAN, you hit a new low in DEFLECTING!!!

                      You used to not agree with me and who knows, maybe you still do not .....

                      BUT

                      USADA is supposed to be TOTALLY INDEPENDANT but as the head of WADA TUE Committee pointed out, they are NOT in this case. Start with that and then you will understand it all!!! So to say, "supposed to" and "being" is 2 totally different things. USADA established the TUEC. WADA even gives USADA the room to change up their TUEC for individual cases.

                      This is the same USADA that called it unethical that Lance Armstrong was paying the UCI with drug testing.

                      Furthermore, using their own words, not mine, USADA clearly states that it is up to them to decide who to investigate and who to not.

                      Floyd pays USADA lots of money for 6+ years and Floyd's reps pay USADA for other boxers as well.

                      USADA should have but did not investigated. If they did they would have found out that Floyd was in good condition just before the IV and was able to drink fluids orally with no problem just before the IV.

                      Even then, as far as TUECs are concerned, It does NOT take a genius to add this all up and realize where this failed big time. You remove one side of the evidence and all you have is Floyd's doctored evidence presented to the TUEC. Enough said!


                      I know why you deflected. For one, what your expert Novitsky said about RETRO TUEs was pathetic. I feel for you, friend! You had no choice but to hide your head in the sand!!!


                      Then Novitsky admits that RETRO TUE requests would be thoroughly vetted .... exception, FLOYD!!!



                      .
                      This is what you'd like to deflect:

                      Look. Here is the bottom line, no matter how you try to DEFLECT from the facts given.

                      1. Mayweather provided partial urine samples from directly before the IV and directly after the IV.

                      2. The Urine sample was NOT allowed to be diluted after the IV, nor before the IV.

                      3. The sample was checked for dilution not only by the DCO, but also by the independent lab.

                      4. The independent lab found no traces of any prohibited substances in the undiluted sample.

                      5. When Lance Armstrong was using an IV to mask, he was masking for a BLOOD TEST, and at a time when there was no urine test for EPO.

                      6. On May 1st, 2015, Mayweather took a URINE TEST. He was not masking blood values. He was also tested for EPO, which again, LANCE WAS NOT BECAUSE THE URINE TEST FOR EPO DIDN'T EXIST AT THAT TIME.

                      7. When Lance's samples were retested with the EPO urine test, HE FAILED!

                      8. Not only were Mayweather's samples CIR tested, but there is athlete biological passport data on him going back 6 years, and over 130 drug tests that he has passed during those years.


                      Is there really anything else to discuss? You're wrong. It's over.
                      Last edited by travestyny; 03-06-2017, 01:43 AM.

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