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    #91
    I agree with most people here.

    I scored the fight live and I think Ward won 114-113.

    I haven't watched the fight again but If I remember, rounds 3 and 11 were pretty close and I gave those to Ward.

    So I have no problem with the people that think Kolavev won.

    It was a close fight with two great fighters and I wanna see a rematch DAMMIT!

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      #92
      Originally posted by Sp0rty Cr@ig View Post
      Funny how everyone who has it 114-113 Ward saw the fight multiple times, is a huge Ward fan and is biased against eastern european fighters.

      Any neutral fans score it 114-113 for Ward? I mean you would have to give every close round to Ward.
      Check the posts above, even the fans that have Kovalev winning have it close with the 12th being the deciding round.

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        #93
        Lol @ the "I didn't score the fight, but it was a robbery, and racism" poster.

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          #94
          Originally posted by !! Shawn View Post
          I think the difference in most peoples score cards, because this wasn't a hard fight to judge, just a close fight, is that most the people that have Kovalev winning, gave Kovalev the round when he hurt ward feeling that it negated most of the not completely dominating work that ward did in the round.

          Like the round that ward did all that good work then got buckled badly by a Kovalev jab near the end.

          A lot of people will give that round to Kovalev as the prevailing wisdom in boxing is if the guy hurts you, and you didn't absolutely dominate the round, you lost the round.

          Just the same as how you get an extra point for a knock down.

          Because one punch that buckles your legs badly is more effective than an entire round a slightly outboxing a guy.

          To give ward the win, you had to have scored those rounds for ward.

          Not saying thats wrong, if thats your way of scoring, since scoring is objective.

          But when you have a boxer, and a puncher. The puncher definitely gets credit you know... landing a big shot. Since he isn't really expected to go out there and outbox the boxer pure boxer every second of the round.

          The only real swing round of the fight was round 3. That could have gone either way, but looking back at it. It was a toss up that you would give to ward because he managed to pull himself together after the KD in round 2. If there had not been a KD in round 2 you probably would have given the round to Kovalev. All the other rounds were pretty clear depending on your judging criteria.

          With all that said. Big props to Ward. He showed balls sticking to his gameplan through adversity and adapting. Especially when you could see the fear and uncertainty on his face through the first couple rounds when he was getting tagged hard.

          He showed more heart and balls in 1 fight than Floyd showed in his entire career.
          You got some good points, no doubt about it, but as you said, I'm not gonna score one flashy punch, over a round mostly won by one guy. If you visibly hurt someone, you can almost be sure that you win the round on my card, but Ward was hurt in the 1st and KD'd in the 2. I did not see him hurt after that, and after round 7 it seemed that Kovalevs punches had lost all effect, he even connected a perfect counter late in the fight and Ward didn't even flinch. So when I saw Kovalev pitty punch in the end of the fight, I couldn't really give him any rounds, because Ward kept landing and taking more and more over, ever so slightly. I believe the money round here is the 10th or the 3rd. Whoever won those rounds won the fight. I saw Ward take it, but the smallest margin.

          another thing is that the rounds Kovalev won was more dominant than the rounds Ward won, but ofcourse that doesn't matter, just an interesting observation (By Gorilla Production)

          I really hoped Kovalev would've won it, but I think the judges for once had it on point. Ofcourse I wouldn't have minded if they switched positions, I wouldn't have called it a bad or faulty decision had Kovalev won.

          A robbery is Bradley vs Pac 1. This was very far from a robbery, can't believe people say that on such a close fight.

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            #95
            I had it a win for ward by 1 point. At one point I thought ward was picking him off quiet easily. I had no dog in the fight. And actually thought the KGB would be too big. Especially after the knock down.

            This reminds me of Pacquiao / Marquez 1 when Marquez started cold and some how got back in the fight.

            Ward did look old in there. But he did what he had to do to win .
            Last edited by vwelsh; 11-20-2016, 04:11 PM. Reason: Typos

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              #96
              Originally posted by NaijaD View Post
              Rounds 3,5,7,8,9,11,12 for Ward and 1,2,4,6,10 for Kovalev. My score after watching it a second and third time was 114-113.

              I feel rounds 3,5,6 and 12 were the swing rounds..... Ward literally stole round 12 in the last 10 or 15 seconds and that was the decider. There was no clear winner in my opinion and Kovalev, for me at least, did not do much in the second half and the few power shots he landed didn't have the effect.
              Round 12 was pretty even, but I scored it for Kovalev because he pretty clearly hurt ward to the body. You could see Ward guarding his ribs the rest of the round after that shot.

              Round 10 was a war of the jabs for the most part with Kovalev getting the better of it and landing some good power shots.

              Round 3 watching it again. I gave it to ward on fight night, but Id change that to a Kovalev round, as it was a round I gave to ward because he managed to come back from adversity and not fold, but the only real shot he managed to land was 1 jab that snapped back Kovalevs head, while Kovalev landed some really good shots on ward in the round. Kovalev also successfully negated all of wards attempts to get inside and do the kind of body work that won him a lot of the later rounds.

              I don't really do revisioninst scoring though, so since I gave ward the round on fight night, Im sticking with him for that round.

              One point on rewatching the fight though. The commentary team gave Ward credit for a lot of shots that didn't land in the middle half. Id still give those rounds to ward, but they were closer than on first viewing once it was clear that more of Ward's work was ineffective than I thought.

              And Kovalev's style, makes it look like a lot of shots that didn't land did. Several hooks for example that looked like big hooks from ward just looked like that because Kovalev turned and deflected them with his shoulder.

              Also, Kovalev landed many more short counters than I saw watching it live. Which is part of the reason Wards face looked like he went through a meat grinder by the end.

              I would have loved to have had Hopkins on the commentary team to get some insight into how those little shots felt. Im sure Hopkins would have pointed them out on the broadcast.

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                #97
                115-112 kovalev. don't see how anyone could have ward winning.

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                  #98
                  1. Kovalev
                  2. Kovalev (10-8)
                  3. Kovalev
                  4. Kovalev
                  5. Ward
                  6. Kovalev
                  7. Ward
                  8. Ward
                  9. Kovalev
                  10. Kovalev
                  11. Ward
                  12. Ward


                  115-112 Kovalev. Will probably re-score it again soon to see if my scorecard changes on second viewing.

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by don larryx View Post
                    thats what made this fight great.lots of swing rounds..do you have a card?
                    1 - Kov 10-9
                    2 - Kov 10-8
                    3 - Kov 10-9
                    4 - Kov 10-9
                    5 - Ward 10-9
                    6 - Kov 10-9
                    7 - Ward 10-9
                    8 - Ward 10-9
                    9 - Ward 10-9
                    10 - Kov 10-9
                    11 - Ward 10-9
                    12 - Ward 10-9

                    Kov 114-113 and thats being generous to Ward. But it was a close fight and Ward did well to get back in the fight. Kovalev faded after round 6. Good thing is there will be a rematch. Think Ward will win that one

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                      1 - Kovalev
                      2 - Kovalev + KD
                      3 - Ward
                      4 - Kovalev
                      5 - Ward
                      6 - Kovalev
                      7 - Ward
                      8 - Ward
                      9 - Ward
                      10- Kovalev
                      11- Ward
                      12- Ward

                      114-113 Ward

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