Is wards CV really that great? lets have a look...

[Madison Boxing]

There seems to be a lot of people on here who see andre ward as a p4p top fighter, even with his recent inactivity over the last years, based on strength of his CV and past exploits. But is his opposition really that good?

Brand- old man coming up to 40 who was 168 pounder, took ward the distance

Barrera- old unproven cuban, a nobody really, took ward the distance

Smith- limited UK domestic level fighter, groves demolished him in 2, ward took 9 rounds

Rodriguez- another nobody who ward couldnt finish off

Dawson-pascal beat him fairly easy before dawson fought ward, stevenson put him away in 1 round, it took ward 10. Not a great fighter at all tbh, karpency beat him later too

Froch- wards best win and a good name on the record, although close fought, 115-113 on two cards. Plus froch not too hard to outbox, andre dirrell and jermain taylor both managed it for large chunks of the fight

Abraham- big stiff classical european plodder, lost every round to froch

Bika- a walking human punchbag who can take a good shot

Green- useless, completely useless, took ward the distance. 70 year old Glen johnson coming into ring with a zimmerframe managed to put green away inside the distance. one of the worst fights of all time

Kessler- technical decision, stopped on cuts due to wards headbutting. Frequent head butts throughout the fight. A good but not amazing fighter who calzaghe beat fairly comfortably (117-111 on one card as hbo scored it too)

Miranda- limited fighter with a big shot and not much else, bute put him away, pavlik put him away, he took ward the distance

Am i being harsh or is wards CV really not that impressive? Discuss...

[therealpugilist]

There seems to be a lot of people on here who see andre ward as a p4p top fighter, even with his recent inactivity over the last years, based on strength of his CV and past exploits. But is his opposition really that good?

Brand- old man coming up to 40 who was 168 pounder, took ward the distance

Barrera- old unproven cuban, a nobody really, took ward the distance

Smith- limited UK domestic level fighter, groves demolished him in 2, ward took 9 rounds

Rodriguez- another nobody who ward couldnt finish off

Dawson-pascal beat him fairly easy before dawson fought ward, stevenson put him away in 1 round, it took ward 10. Not a great fighter at all tbh, karpency beat him later too

Froch- wards best win and a good name on the record, although close fought, 115-113 on two cards. Plus froch not too hard to outbox, andre dirrell and jermain taylor both managed it for large chunks of the fight

Abraham- big stiff classical european plodder, lost every round to froch

Bika- a walking human punchbag who can take a good shot

Green- useless, completely useless, took ward the distance. 70 year old Glen johnson coming into ring with a zimmerframe managed to put green away inside the distance. one of the worst fights of all time

Kessler- technical decision, stopped on cuts due to wards headbutting. Frequent head butts throughout the fight. A good but not amazing fighter who calzaghe beat fairly comfortably (117-111 on one card as hbo scored it too)

Miranda- limited fighter with a big shot and not much else, bute put him away, pavlik put him away, he took ward the distance

Am i being harsh or is wards CV really not that impressive? Discuss...

......you can do that with anyones resume...not very creative and lacks context

Pascal did not beat dawson easy and before the fight was stopped Pascal was in trouble

Damn the way you diluted Wards competition you'd think he fought a bunch of nobodies

Froch will make the hall of fame on day

Kessler was a top 3 at 168 for 5 + years... won his first title the year Ward was in the olympics, was far more experienced

several of the men you listed would be GGGs best opponent to date.....so how do you rate GGGs CV and can you break his down the same way

I find it funny when GGG die hards criticize someone's resume when GGGs resume resembles a young titlist in their mid 20s and not a "unified" top 3 p4p monster in their mid 30s

[Sadiqkingofko]

There seems to be a lot of people on here who see andre ward as a p4p top fighter, even with his recent inactivity over the last years, based on strength of his CV and past exploits. But is his opposition really that good?

Brand- old man coming up to 40 who was 168 pounder, took ward the distance

Barrera- old unproven cuban, a nobody really, took ward the distance

Smith- limited UK domestic level fighter, groves demolished him in 2, ward took 9 rounds

Rodriguez- another nobody who ward couldnt finish off

Dawson-pascal beat him fairly easy before dawson fought ward, stevenson put him away in 1 round, it took ward 10. Not a great fighter at all tbh, karpency beat him later too

Froch- wards best win and a good name on the record, although close fought, 115-113 on two cards. Plus froch not too hard to outbox, andre dirrell and jermain taylor both managed it for large chunks of the fight

Abraham- big stiff classical european plodder, lost every round to froch

Bika- a walking human punchbag who can take a good shot

Green- useless, completely useless, took ward the distance. 70 year old Glen johnson coming into ring with a zimmerframe managed to put green away inside the distance. one of the worst fights of all time

Kessler- technical decision, stopped on cuts due to wards headbutting. Frequent head butts throughout the fight. A good but not amazing fighter who calzaghe beat fairly comfortably (117-111 on one card as hbo scored it too)

Miranda- limited fighter with a big shot and not much else, bute put him away, pavlik put him away, he took ward the distance

Am i being harsh or is wards CV really not that impressive? Discuss...

It counts how you look at it

Brand - arguablly beat Badou Jack current WBC champ
Barrera - He beat Murat and Lacy and was #1 contender
Smith - Tune Up
Rodriguez - Undeafeated top contender
Dawson - Top 10 P4P beat the likes of Hopkins, Johnson, Tarver, and Adamek
Froch - At the time WBC champ and beat the likes Johnson, Dirrell, Taylor, Abraham, and Peascal
Abraham - Former IBF champion and beat the likes of Taylor and was a top contender
Bika - Good fighter with chin made out of steel and beat the likes of Sam Soliman
Green - Top contender with a big punch
Kessler - Former Unified Champion and was favored to win the super six
Miranda - A contender with not much but a huge punch and a test to a young Andre Ward who wasn't a champion

It just matters of how you look at it

[j0zef]

Nothing you said is false per se, but you can do this exercise with virtually every fighter today. None of the resumes stand up to scrutinization. For example - Gonzalez' best win is Estrada, who was only 22 at the time. Kov's best win is a grandpa. Most of Golovkin's "top10 contenders" have faded over time. Crawford's best win, Postol, outboxed a brawler and won on a cut. His other win was an overrated Gamboa who was 10 lbs lighter. Frampton got lucky with a decision over Quigg and won against LSC who's nothing more than a lighter, crappier version of Margarito.

Those are just some of the arguments that can be made against current Top5 P4P. Same thing with Ward. Ward's resume is very good, my only problem is that people like to pretend that he toyed and completely outclassed all of his competition, which is not true.

[soul_survivor]

Wards entire career is built on beating Froch and to a lesser extent Kessler, including the desperation of HBO to build a new star and they thought they had one, so they labeled him as having "cleared out 168". Then they said he was great.

Then Ward wasted HBOs time and money and the last 4 years have been the worst kind of sporting progression.

[Rudiamonds]

If you can crap on ward resume imagine what you can do to GGG resume lmao

[Madison Boxing]

Wards entire career is built on beating Froch and to a lesser extent Kessler, including the desperation of HBO to build a new star and they thought they had one, so they labeled him as having "cleared out 168". Then they said he was great.

Then Ward wasted HBOs time and money and the last 4 years have been the worst kind of sporting progression.

yeah was surprised looking back on his CV, thought i might have forgot a couple of good wins but its just full of B level fighters pretty much, apart from froch who has his own limitations. Just people kind of make it out as if wards proven beyond doubt. And everyone mentioning GGG, yeah GGGs resume isnt amazing in terms of names, a lot of its down to how hes beating these B level fighters.

[Vasyl’s dad]

The truth of the matter is that the guys that hype of wards resume from 168, used to crap on 168 like they do 160 today. They didn't even care about the division until ward came along. Then, all of a sudden, it became the greatest conquest of a division in boxing history. Many even said Kessler was hype because he was beat by Calzaghe. They called Abraham a limited Euro with no skills.

No, his resume isn't great. Kudos to ward for winning the super six, but nobody really gave schit about the entrants until it was over.

[soul_survivor]

yeah was surprised looking back on his CV, thought i might have forgot a couple of good wins but its just full of B level fighters pretty much, apart from froch who has his own limitations. Just people kind of make it out as if wards proven beyond doubt. And everyone mentioning GGG, yeah GGGs resume isnt amazing in terms of names, a lot of its down to how hes beating these B level fighters.

That's the key.

Just for comparison, Froch beat Abraham more convincingly in the eyes of many than Ward and Froch went against a better version of the fighter too. Calzaghe looked more fluid against a prime Bika and Ward had to get involved in an ugly fight with him.

Now, turning to GGG, he has fought the best his division has to offer, which isn't particular exceptional but he has trounced them. Each and every one.

None of this means Ward isn't skilled, he is a highly intelligent in ring operator but his lack of fights is a serious problem.

[SnakeVen0m]

Damn, why can't people ask for a good fight from both fighters? Always have to start the x fighter is a bum threads. Ward and KOv have accomplished a lot in their respective careers, can't take anything away from either one.