Hopkins or Toney - who was better?

[IronDanHamza]

Only one of those quotes was said by me...
I've noticed you seem to have some sort of extreme hatred for Toney....
Did he make you look a b*tch in sparring or something???

If we're talkin top tier opposition....
Why does most of Bhops middleweight reign consist of small shot bums??
He had a trilogy with Robert ****in Allen......


Now stop ducking my questions you ****** coward.
What would happen If bhop was fightin Jirov, Holyfield Sam Peters etc...


Prime for Prime Toney was faster, stronger, more skillful, had a better chin and most importantly he was BRAVER then bhop....

The worst thing about bhop is when he knows he gonna lose he just gives up.
He either becomes a spoiler or fakes an injury like a true ****heel...
Toney never gives up....

Hard to say because Hopkins never went to CW but I'd expect Hopkins to beat a Jirov level opponent. Depends how he'd adjust to the weight.

HW, really hard to say.

Not sure of your point.

I'd agree Toney is faster, although he's hardly a speed demon. Chin, yeah I agree Toney has the edge there. He's defintely not more skillful and whether he's stronger is debatable.

Hopkins MW reign is not strong but like I said I very much doubt Toney goes through it undefeated.

[therealpugilist]

You're talking to me like I'm a Hopkins fan, I'm not.

I agree his reign isn't special. Although Toney wouldn't go through it undefeated.

only guy out of that overrated title reign, that MAY trouble Toney is Taylor....unlike Hopkins who only has 1 or 2 gears....Toney knew how to turn it on when the fight was in the balance, like vs littles, nunn, and jirov.

Toney has a better chance going undefeated vs Hopkins opposition, than Hopkins does going against McCallum, Nunn, Johnson, and company that Toney fought at 160. Toney fought better competition and didnt lose til he went to 168. saying tiberi won over and over isnt gonna change the official result...wanna see a robbery....go watch Emmanuel Augustus vs courtney burton

hopkins was done for if the pace wasnt HIS pace.

[IronDanHamza]

You sound like a mug....

You don't rate Marvin Hagler or James Toney.....
But you do rate Bernard "no heart" Hopkins....

Hopkins is a mentally weak man.
He gave up against Calzaghe and Kov...
He gave up When he was bein outboxed by robert allen in their second fight...
He faked an injury against dawson in the first fight cos he was scared....
He then behaved like a journeyman who is content to lose for money in the second fight.....

The only thing Hopkins will be remembered for is his shelf life.
That and being a boring and dirty fighter who lacked balls.......

I don't rate Hopkins highly.

But I certainly rate Hagler and Hopkins A LOT higher than Toney.

[therealpugilist]

Hard to say because Hopkins never went to CW but I'd expect Hopkins to beat a Jirov level opponent. Depends how he'd adjust to the weight.

HW, really hard to say.

Not sure of your point.

I'd agree Toney is faster, although he's hardly a speed demon. Chin, yeah I agree Toney has the edge there. He's defintely not more skillful and whether he's stronger is debatable.

Hopkins MW reign is not strong but like I said I very much doubt Toney goes through it undefeated.

Hopkins damn sure wouldnt go through Toney's undefeated...toney actually defeated elite middleweights in his reign, unlike hopkins

[IronDanHamza]

only guy out of that overrated title reign, that MAY trouble Toney is Taylor....unlike Hopkins who only has 1 or 2 gears....Toney knew how to turn it on when the fight was in the balance, like vs littles, nunn, and jirov.

Toney has a better chance going undefeated vs Hopkins opposition, than Hopkins does going against McCallum, Nunn, Johnson, and company that Toney fought at 160. Toney fought better competition and didnt lose til he went to 168. saying tiberi won over and over isnt gonna change the official result...wanna see a robbery....go watch Emmanuel Augustus vs courtney burton

hopkins was done for if the pace wasnt HIS pace.

Toney-Tiberi WAS a robbery. Are you trying to dispute that?

Toney can't even beat the likes of Tiberi, Thadzi and sc****s SD's and draws with Williams and Sosa I very much doubt he goes through Hopkins MW reign undefeated.

And I agree there's no way Hopkins goes through Toney's oppositon undefeated but I doubt he'd lose and draw with the guys Toney did. I don't think he'd beat McCallum but then again I don't think Toney beat McCallum either.

[IronDanHamza]

Hopkins was gettin schooled that night. So he did what he always does.
GIVE UP!




LOL!!!!
Are you related to punk Hopkins????

You really DKSAB!!!

I am not a fan of Hopkins.

And Hopkins way more skilled than Toney. That's not even debatable.

[IronDanHamza]

you're in the minority on the bolded

anyone with a brain has Hagler top 5 all time at middleweight

he wasnt at the championship level then because the MFer didnt get a title shot til like 50 fights in. its not like how it is today when these guys get title shots before they even fight a legit top ten contender

I have Hagler in my top 5 MW's.

I don't need the likes of you to tell me about Hagler I actually witnessed these peoples career's as they unfolded.

I am suprised that you rate Hagler. Weren't his best wins against Welterweights?

[therealpugilist]

I have Hagler in my top 5 MW's.

I don't need the likes of you to tell me about Hagler I actually witnessed these peoples career's as they unfolded.

I am suprised that you rate Hagler. Weren't his best wins against Welterweights?

its 2016, whether you watched it live or while you're taking a ***** on youtube this year, it makes no difference.

let that nostalgia bull go when their is video

His best wins were over named welterweights but he also beat the best middleweight contenders and not no name mandatories

[IronDanHamza]

its 2016, whether you watched it live or while you're taking a ***** on youtube this year, it makes no difference.

let that nostalgia bull go when their is video

His best wins were over named welterweights but he also beat the best middleweight contenders and not no name mandatories

So you're telling me Hopkins didn't beat the best MW contenders? Which MW's didn't he beat? Hagler beat his share of "no names" aswell.

I've found myself struggling to grasp the point of the rest of your post once again. Nostalgia? What?

[Johnwoo8686]

No I'm suprised it's close because Toney is so overrated on forums that I'd expect him to be much further in the lead.

I don't know what I'm talking about OK mate.

Yeah he "won" if you ignore the fact it was a robbery. But why ignore it? It's one of the biggest robberies of all time it's the eqiuvilent to pretending that Whitaker didn't beat Chavez.

I'm not acting like you're referencing nobodies. However you're acting like other men's words are gospel. Fighters aren't honest. How many times have you seen a fighters say so and so was their best opponent or toughest fight when it's abundantly clear it wasn't? Either way all it is their opinion anyway. It's not a point.

And Hopkins never said Toney is better than him he said he was more talented, you seem to consider that the same thing for whatever reason but it isn't. And that's also debatable.

Ok so let me ask you this? Do you agree with Hopkins that Toney was the more talented fighter or do you disagree with that too?