Why was Mayweather held to such standards from certain posters?

[b00g13man]

Lol @ people still trying to use the TBE moniker as an excuse, when they know fully well the unjustified criticism started way before he started using it.

[New England]

Lol @ people still trying to use the TBE moniker as an excuse, when they know fully well the unjustified criticism started way before he started using it.

lol at the same 15-20 dudes supporting mayweather in virtually ever scenario and every thread acting like they are objective. nobody is fooled! how can you take the bscene money team seriously when they side with floyd mayweather in every scenario like a f#cking yesman, or a cheerleader. it's the subjectivity that has made this place toxic.


some of the people in this thread think floyd is a top 5 ALL TIME fighter. to somebody who doesn't think you're a top 5 all timer, don't you think calling yourself TBE might rub you the wrong way? doesn't it sound disrespectful to the other men who have boxed before? at the very least you're not in the wrong for getting a bad taste in your mouth when a boxer starts to call HIMSELF TBE.



ali called himself the greatest of all time, but he went out and cemented a legacy as arguably the toughest matched fighter of all time, and his brain and body stopped working. also, if you think ali wasn't "held to a certain standard" or let's put it more planly "discriminated against," you just aren't familiar with the era.



floyd calls himself TBE. but it's health first. but boxing is a business. we fight for a prize, dummy. but i did everything in my power not to fight manny until he was clearly on the downside.


don't you see why some people might be rubbed the wrong way? i'm saying not that it needs to rub you the wrong way, but i am saying that you're a fanboy if you don't at least acknowledge the potential for a reasonable, objective fan to be rubbed the wrong way by a fighter who isn't the greatest of all time and claims that he is.


the fanboyism on bscene has to stop. floyd mayweather is not the best fighter of all time. i can't take 90% of this board seriously any more.

[PivotandRoll]

They made threads like?

1-He never fought any prime elite fighters

2-He never fought bigger fighters(even tho he moved up 5 times

etc etc

His wins over

Manny
Mosley
Oscar
Hatton
Canelo
Corrales
Castillo
Judah
Jmm
Hernendez
Cotto

etc etc

were all slammed and picked apart


but the exact same posters big up GGG and say only the belts matter??? FLOYD WON MORE BELT FROM WAYYYYY BETTER COMP and yet with Mayweather his title wins are ripped apart even tho he HAS NOT WON NOT 1 VACANT TITLE PERIOD!!!! ALL OF HIS TITLE WINS WERE WON IN THE RING!!!! How can you explain this? how can his comp be ripped apart and GGG's celebrated?

So you really don't like boxing then? Don't want to talk about an active fighter?

[PivotandRoll]

lol at the same 15-20 dudes supporting mayweather in virtually ever scenario and every thread acting like they are objective. nobody is fooled! how can you take the bscene money team seriously when they side with floyd mayweather in every scenario like a f#cking yesman, or a cheerleader. it's the subjectivity that has made this place toxic.


some of the people in this thread think floyd is a top 5 ALL TIME fighter. to somebody who doesn't think you're a top 5 all timer, don't you think calling yourself TBE might rub you the wrong way? doesn't it sound disrespectful to the other men who have boxed before? at the very least you're not in the wrong for getting a bad taste in your mouth when a boxer starts to call HIMSELF TBE.



ali called himself the greatest of all time, but he went out and cemented a legacy as arguably the toughest matched fighter of all time, and his brain and body stopped working. also, if you think ali wasn't "held to a certain standard" or let's put it more planly "discriminated against," you just aren't familiar with the era.



floyd calls himself TBE. but it's health first. but boxing is a business. we fight for a prize, dummy. but i did everything in my power not to fight manny until he was clearly on the downside.


don't you see why some people might be rubbed the wrong way? i'm saying not that it needs to rub you the wrong way, but i am saying that you're a fanboy if you don't at least acknowledge the potential for a reasonable, objective fan to be rubbed the wrong way by a fighter who isn't the greatest of all time and claims that he is.


the fanboyism on bscene has to stop. floyd mayweather is not the best fighter of all time. i can't take 90% of this board seriously any more.

Okay Yes, Likely Floyd is not the greatest, but for you to go on that nostalgic rant about Ali is pathetic. Ali lost to lower level fighters and that is a fact. You can't flaunt his accomplishments and down play his failures. And bottom of the line, Frazier won, not Ali. They fought as undefeated Champions and Ali got put on his ass. The only reason anyone ever called him the greatest is because he shouted it incessantly.

Real fighter always and I mean ALWAYS say that you have to believe you're the greatest or else why bother?

Ray Leonard> Both of them loud mouths anyway

[New England]

Okay Yes, Likely Floyd is not the greatest, but for you to go on that nostalgic rant about Ali is pathetic. Ali lost to lower level fighters and that is a fact. You can't flaunt his accomplishments and down play his failures. And bottom of the line, Frazier won, not Ali. They fought as undefeated Champions and Ali got put on his ass. The only reason anyone ever called him the greatest is because he shouted it incessantly.

Real fighter always and I mean ALWAYS say that you have to believe you're the greatest or else why bother?

Ray Leonard> Both of them loud mouths anyway

ray leonard doesn't have a better resume than ali. that's just crazy talk. i'm a bigger leonard fan than i am of ali. much bigger frazier fan than ali, too. muhammad ali was kind of a ****, and some of his fights were boring in spots, some even throughout

but that doesn't mean that ray leonard was a better fighter, or has a better resume, because he doesn't. leonard had a very short career compared to ali. if you've looked at the careers of enough boxers, the record of muhammad ali is absolutely staggering. he's he made a lot of the careers of these fighters [particularly from the 70's,] but was that a bad thing considering the record he put up against them?


in no real order
foreman
frazier 2x
liston 2x
norton 2x
lyle
patterson 2x
cooper 2x
chuvalo 2x
quarry
young
williams
moore
foster
shavers
ellis


that's what muhammad ali accomplished. losing fights, or even getting beat up at the end of your career, doesn't remove what you accomplished in your career. and ray leonard, and certainly floyd mayweather [] didn't come close



and for the record, the last few fights i've watched have been ray leonard fights. kalule, the kid he fought after the second duran fight, and hearns 2.

[Sp0rty Cr@ig]

It is because Floyd is the top dog. Everyone hates at the guy who is considered best.

Everyone knows GGG legacy is nowhere near Floyd. Duhhh!

And to people blaming it on racism. Come on bros... Tyson was black and loved by everyone. Stop bringing race into every debate

[Real King Kong]

Mayweather is a "what if" type fighter. He certainly showed he had all the skills in the world and beat everyone put in front of him...and that will be good enough for a lot of people. But, there will always be the lingering questions...how good was his era?...what if he fought a prime casamayor, tszyu, closer to prime mosley, margarito, cotto, pacquiao? There were various reasons those fights didn't happen, and I'm sure saying "he would have beat those guys anyway" is good enough for some...but the bottom line is, with those fights he could have cemented a much greater leagacy. Call it ducking, call it promotional roadblocks, call it the state of modern boxing...but the greatest fighters fought those type of fights and finished their careers taking on tough young fighters.

[PivotandRoll]

ray leonard doesn't have a better resume than ali. that's just crazy talk. i'm a bigger leonard fan than i am of ali. much bigger frazier fan than ali, too. muhammad ali was kind of a ****, and some of his fights were boring in spots, some even throughout

but that doesn't mean that ray leonard was a better fighter, or has a better resume, because he doesn't. leonard had a very short career compared to ali. if you've looked at the careers of enough boxers, the record of muhammad ali is absolutely staggering. he's he made a lot of the careers of these fighters [particularly from the 70's,] but was that a bad thing considering the record he put up against them?


in no real order
foreman
frazier 2x
liston 2x
norton 2x
lyle
patterson 2x
cooper 2x
chuvalo 2x
quarry
young
williams
moore
foster
shavers
ellis


that's what muhammad ali accomplished. losing fights, or even getting beat up at the end of your career, doesn't remove what you accomplished in your career. and ray leonard, and certainly floyd mayweather [] didn't come close



and for the record, the last few fights i've watched have been ray leonard fights. kalule, the kid he fought after the second duran fight, and hearns 2.

Leonard's Wins over Hearns, Duran, Benitez and Hagler are better than Ali's four best wins.

Why do you take it personal? Do you know Muhammad Ali? Ali endorsed Leonard and Tyson..why wouldn't he like Floyd?

Pacquiao
Maidana
Cotto
Mosley
Marquez
Hatton
De La Hoya
Castillo
Corrales
Hernandez

The fact you try to insult that resume is pathetic

[b00g13man]

lol at the same 15-20 dudes supporting mayweather in virtually ever scenario and every thread acting like they are objective. nobody is fooled! how can you take the bscene money team seriously when they side with floyd mayweather in every scenario like a f#cking yesman, or a cheerleader. it's the subjectivity that has made this place toxic.


some of the people in this thread think floyd is a top 5 ALL TIME fighter. to somebody who doesn't think you're a top 5 all timer, don't you think calling yourself TBE might rub you the wrong way? doesn't it sound disrespectful to the other men who have boxed before? at the very least you're not in the wrong for getting a bad taste in your mouth when a boxer starts to call HIMSELF TBE.



ali called himself the greatest of all time, but he went out and cemented a legacy as arguably the toughest matched fighter of all time, and his brain and body stopped working. also, if you think ali wasn't "held to a certain standard" or let's put it more planly "discriminated against," you just aren't familiar with the era.



floyd calls himself TBE. but it's health first. but boxing is a business. we fight for a prize, dummy. but i did everything in my power not to fight manny until he was clearly on the downside.


don't you see why some people might be rubbed the wrong way? i'm saying not that it needs to rub you the wrong way, but i am saying that you're a fanboy if you don't at least acknowledge the potential for a reasonable, objective fan to be rubbed the wrong way by a fighter who isn't the greatest of all time and claims that he is.


the fanboyism on bscene has to stop. floyd mayweather is not the best fighter of all time. i can't take 90% of this board seriously any more.

Ah! Mr one dimensional returns...

I don't see anyone in here actually acknowledging him as TBE, so your point is....

If you bothered to read what I posted prior to typing another one of your epic rants, you'd realise that the unfair criticisms began long before he proclaimed himself TBE. What was the excuse then?

[IronDanHamza]

ray leonard doesn't have a better resume than ali. that's just crazy talk. i'm a bigger leonard fan than i am of ali. much bigger frazier fan than ali, too. muhammad ali was kind of a ****, and some of his fights were boring in spots, some even throughout

but that doesn't mean that ray leonard was a better fighter, or has a better resume, because he doesn't. leonard had a very short career compared to ali. if you've looked at the careers of enough boxers, the record of muhammad ali is absolutely staggering. he's he made a lot of the careers of these fighters [particularly from the 70's,] but was that a bad thing considering the record he put up against them?


in no real order
foreman
frazier 2x
liston 2x
norton 2x
lyle
patterson 2x
cooper 2x
chuvalo 2x
quarry
young
williams
moore
foster
shavers
ellis


that's what muhammad ali accomplished. losing fights, or even getting beat up at the end of your career, doesn't remove what you accomplished in your career. and ray leonard, and certainly floyd mayweather [] didn't come close



and for the record, the last few fights i've watched have been ray leonard fights. kalule, the kid he fought after the second duran fight, and hearns 2.

IMO you could easily argue Leonard has the better resume.

Aging Liston
Frazier
Foreman
Norton

Aging Hagler
Duran
Hearns
Benitez

Which four are better? In my eyes clearly Leonard's.

Ali has more fights and thus more depth but the quality goes with Leonard IMO.