Thurman: Never Commentate Again...PLEASE!

[sicko]

Gus Johnson really did not have anybody to bounce off of, both Commentators was to quiet or they would go on and talk about stuff that has nothing to do with the fight.

But he did OK for his first time calling a fight I thought

[LoadedWraps]

Strawman argument. Bring it back to what you initially quoted and I'll be glad to enlighten you.

Why are you ducking his question? I have yet to hear why it is anything but idiotic as to why an elite fighter should only have one big fight a year. I'd love to hear even one good reason.

Champions of old defended their titles many, many times per year and were much more active overall.

From a business perspective, yes, you don't push you prime product out and run out early, but the solution isn't "one fight per year" it's just pushing out quality fights over a season, and you can accomplish that without only exposing your best fighters to one major fight a year if you have the stable for it, and Haymon does, so if that was the ace in your sleeve, save it and come with something better, because it wouldn't even be some mega fight, it would just be a solid matchup like Thurman/Ghost was, it would certainly be less than Porter/Thurman on talent alone, though the belt side story might help hype the fight.

[_original_]

They should have had Paulie.

[IMDAZED]

I asked you a question, after you said that fighters have been having "one big fight a year" for a long time, so I asked you to provide me with examples, as I made a comment about "modern" fans being happy with that. You answered my question with your own question. A discussion doesn't work like that, hence why you are a ******.

I'm only carrying this on for ****s and giggles, because it's always funny seeing you avoiding legitimate boxing discussions.

Examples? IDK, maybe the last 50-70 years or so? Look over any top fighter's resume and you'll see they weren't taking on top opponent after top opponent fight in and out. See, you misunderstood me avoiding anything. Just like I should've known that you would need this pointed out because you're silly enough to think boxing used to be an endless string of big fights by every fighter.

[IMDAZED]

Why are you ducking his question? I have yet to hear why it is anything but idiotic as to why an elite fighter should only have one big fight a year. I'd love to hear even one good reason.

Champions of old defended their titles many, many times per year and were much more active overall.

From a business perspective, yes, you don't push you prime product out and run out early, but the solution isn't "one fight per year" it's just pushing out quality fights over a season, and you can accomplish that without only exposing your best fighters to one major fight a year if you have the stable for it, and Haymon does, so if that was the ace in your sleeve, save it and come with something better, because it wouldn't even be some mega fight, it would just be a solid matchup like Thurman/Ghost was, it would certainly be less than Porter/Thurman on talent alone, though the belt side story might help hype the fight.

Another strawman argument. Look at the bold: no one is arguing that they shouldn't defend their title more so what are you referring to? I said I didn't see Garcia-Thurman happening until 2017 and soulsurvivor said I was another poster happy with a fighter having one big fight a year. And I said it's always been like that. Anything else, my lad?

[El-blanco]

Another strawman argument. Look at the bold: no one is arguing that they shouldn't defend their title more so what are you referring to? I said I didn't see Garcia-Thurman happening until 2017 and soulsurvivor said I was another poster happy with a fighter having one big fight a year. And I said it's always been like that. Anything else, my lad?

I don't think that's true. Currently it's true because boxing has somehow made itself into a bigger joke. Fernando Vargas fought Ike quartey, winky wright and Trinidad, in the span of 12 months. All those guys are levels above most current welterweights and he did all that in a year. That was pretty ambitious and I don't expect that from everybody but it was certainly done. These current boxers are too shook to fight guys nobody is even certain are elite. Vargas isn't the exception. Most top guys in the early 2000's were all doing that. What's going on now is basically like letting Zab Judah vs sharmba Mitchell marinate for a year. It's absolutely absurd.

[IMDAZED]

I don't think that's true. Currently it's true because boxing has somehow made itself into a bigger joke. Fernando Vargas fought Ike quartey, winky wright and Trinidad, in the span of 12 months. All those guys are levels above most current welterweights and he did all that in a year. That was pretty ambitious and I don't expect that from everybody but it was certainly done. These current boxers are too shook to fight guys nobody is even certain are elite. Vargas isn't the exception. Most top guys in the early 2000's were all doing that. What's going on now is basically like letting Zab Judah vs sharmba Mitchell marinate for a year. It's absolutely absurd.

Fernando Vargas was the exception, not the rule. He was also a clear example of why you don't do that. Look at every top fighter and you'll see that for most of their careers -- usually until they become superstars -- you had to have stay busy bouts, fights against mandatories and contenders, etc. in between the big affairs. It's always been that way.

The funny thing is, I see Danny Garcia having another big fight this year. Probably against Khan. What I said was that I didn't see Garcia-Thurman happening this year. That they would want to build that up. In some simpleton's mind, that means I'm happy to see one decent fight a year per fighter. I wish I could go through life being that dumb. Would save me a lot of stress.

[El-blanco]

Fernando Vargas was the exception, not the rule. He was also a clear example of why you don't do that. Look at every top fighter and you'll see that for most of their careers -- usually until they become superstars -- you had to have stay busy bouts, fights against mandatories and contenders, etc. in between the big affairs. It's always been that way.

The funny thing is, I see Danny Garcia having another big fight this year. Probably against Khan. What I said was that I didn't see Garcia-Thurman happening this year. That they would want to build that up. In some simpleton's mind, that means I'm happy to see one decent fight a year per fighter. I wish I could go through life being that dumb. Would save me a lot of stress.

Boxing doesn't have many superstars and it's delusional for many of these guys to even consider that they will be. Most of them aren't that talented. That's why I can't get behind the idea of them waiting around for big fights. There are no big fights. The other guys at the top of their division are nothing special and is who they should be fighting. Those guys are all just contenders despite what belt they have.

Vargas still went on to have a great career and earned more money than this current group of wannabes. He still went on to fight Oscar and Shane after the Tito disaster. I think he's a great example of what's possible if you try to be great. These new guys should have the confidence to dare to be great.

[IMDAZED]

Boxing doesn't have many superstars and it's delusional for many of these guys to even consider that they will be. Most of them aren't that talented. That's why I can't get behind the idea of them waiting around for big fights. There are no big fights. The other guys at the top of their division are nothing special and is who they should be fighting. Those guys are all just contenders despite what belt they have.

Vargas still went on to have a great career and earned more money than this current group of wannabes. He still went on to fight Oscar and Shane after the Tito disaster. I think he's a great example of what's possible if you try to be great. These new guys should have the confidence to dare to be great.

Right but Vargas is the exception not the rule. Shane Mosley dared to be great. But between Oscar I and Forrest I he fought several no-hopers. Felix Trinidad fought quite a few between Carr and Whitaker. It happens. Wouldn't dare say he didn't dare to be great. Same for Chavez. And Whitaker. And Oscar, etc. This isn't some new thing. And really has nothing to do with what I said.

[deanrw]

Thurman was bad last night. He seemed uncomfortable and transmitted it in his voice and mannerisms. As for the welterweight crop that is left, none of them are elite. What makes it exciting is that there are many decent ones, but they all need to fight to give some clarity. Thurman vs Porter is a start, but many more are needed.

Garcia is far from anything remotely elite. Simply put, I have a hard time considering him as a very good fighter. He is decent and tough, and walking around with a damn belt. Then we got Thurman struggling with the likes of Collazo. It makes it all feel weak.

I hope Spence is the real deal, as I don't consider any of the other current crop as leaders. Floyd could have dominated this current crop for another 5 years easily