Identifying a post-Klitschko dominant HW champ...

[Elroy1]

The 2 most dominant champs in boxing history have achieved their credentials assisted by physical gifts and attributes such as height and the ability to use it, weight, athleticism, focus an discipline and power.

There are some obvious prospects out there like Joshua that have all these as well.

But there's one thing Lennox and the Klitschko's had that these young prospects don't...

PEDIGREE!

Joshua is a rookie with very few ammy fights under his belt before turning pro.

We can see that non-pedigreed fighters can achieve greatness. Think Hasim Rahman for example.

But we can also see that such fighters are also always cerebral, lacking that boxing brain that enables them to fight on instinct without recourse to thinking so much. And we can also see that they are never dominant, more like fleeting interests which dwindle with the next girl that comes along.

So is there anyone out there on the horizon that fits this bill? A physically and skillfully reasonable candidate with a large PEDIGREE to dominate in the post K era??

I would be very interested in a short list of potentials for further analysis.

[Bozbay]

The 2 most dominant champs in boxing history have achieved their credentials assisted by physical gifts and attributes such as height and the ability to use it, weight, athleticism, focus an discipline and power.

There are some obvious prospects out there like Joshua that have all these as well.

But there's one thing Lennox and the Klitschko's had that these young prospects don't...

PEDIGREE!

Joshua is a rookie with very few ammy fights under his belt before turning pro.

We can see that non-pedigreed fighters can achieve greatness. Think Hasim Rahman for example.

But we can also see that such fighters are also always cerebral, lacking that boxing brain that enables them to fight on instinct without recourse to thinking so much. And we can also see that they are never dominant, more like fleeting interests which dwindle with the next girl that comes along.

So is there anyone out there on the horizon that fits this bill? A physically and skillfully reasonable candidate with a large PEDIGREE to dominate in the post K era??

I would be very interested in a short list of potentials for further analysis.

Joshua did win gold. How do you define pedigree? How many amateur fights does a guy need to have in order to have pedigree, in your opinion?

[oscar9992]

Joshua has a good pedigree. He is an Olympic champion, even though some people say he robbed some opponents.

Wilder is bronze medalist in 2008 Bejing Olympics.

[bojangles1987]

According to you it's whoever the biggest guy is. So clearly you think Fury will destroy Wlad since he is so much bigger than "future former cruiserweight" Wladimir Klitschko.

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Joshua s already being ammed into the rankings based on how sweaty and giant his muscles are by the **** brigade before he's really done anything.

Time for me to start bashing him. We got off on the right foot but alas...

[M Bison]

According to you it's whoever the biggest guy is. So clearly you think Fury will destroy Wlad since he is so much bigger than "future former cruiserweight" Wladimir Klitschko.

A good big man always beats the good small guy.

[Elroy1]

A good big man always beats the good small guy.

More the point there should be an attachment specifying "Nut bags not welcome"

This guy who I haven't seen here for months pops up with some garbage like size is all I care about when the opening post is talking all about the importance of pedigree?

Unbelievable naivette!

[Elroy1]

Joshua did win gold. How do you define pedigree? How many amateur fights does a guy need to have in order to have pedigree, in your opinion?

Yes Joshua did win gold, that is a great achievement, no denying. For the record I think Joshua is a great prospect and should he win against Whyte, he will probably go on to be a HW champ.

But "dominant" I doubt!

I don't know HOW MANY exactly it takes exactly to be well pedigreed but I do know that a record of 31-3 at AM is definitely NOT world schooled as is starting boxing aged 18!

I did boxing as a teenager as an exercise but I didn't really box until I was 25! Obviously that was not good enough and I was whooped by kids ranking wise. Even though I could choke many of them to death if I wanted with superior strength I could not box like many of them because they had boxed their entire lives since they could walk!

There is no comparison to those that have been born and bred to box. These guys have been boxing since 7 years! It's as instinctive as it gets. Consider how many fights guys like Chagaev, Povetkin and Klitschko have... These guys have hundreds of fights before they even TURNED pro and THEN compiled extensive/impressive records at pro!

That's why these guys compete into old age and STILL are top contenders or champs in the sport.

I don't want to give an aritrary answer only to say that Joshua's pedigree definitely isn't there despite winning gold

Joshua winning gold actually is evidence toward that nut bag BoJangles and the good Red Cyclone that physcial gifts like SIZE and ATHLETICISM can go a long way to compensating for experience.

However when discussing dominant champs, that is no lite on issue, it requires a combination of physical gifts and experience.

That't the main reason for Klitshko's success. It's not his height and weight anymore and strength and fitness that enable him too win, although they are important. But it;s his experience, the best in the business, that makes it all possible.

There is no bias in this statement. Read carefully.

[Bozbay]

Yes Joshua did win gold, that is a great achievement, no denying. For the record I think Joshua is a great prospect and should he win against Whyte, he will probably go on to be a HW champ.

But "dominant" I doubt!

I don't know HOW MANY exactly it takes exactly to be well pedigreed but I do know that a record of 31-3 at AM is definitely NOT world schooled as is starting boxing aged 18!

I did boxing as a teenager as an exercise but I didn't really box until I was 25! Obviously that was not good enough and I was whooped by kids ranking wise. Even though I could choke many of them to death if I wanted with superior strength I could not box like many of them because they had boxed their entire lives since they could walk!

There is no comparison to those that have been born and bred to box. These guys have been boxing since 7 years! It's as instinctive as it gets. Consider how many fights guys like Chagaev, Povetkin and Klitschko have... These guys have hundreds of fights before they even TURNED pro and THEN compiled extensive/impressive records at pro!

That's why these guys compete into old age and STILL are top contenders or champs in the sport.

I don't want to give an aritrary answer only to say that Joshua's pedigree definitely isn't there despite winning gold

Joshua winning gold actually is evidence toward that nut bag BoJangles and the good Red Cyclone that physcial gifts like SIZE and ATHLETICISM can go a long way to compensating for experience.

However when discussing dominant champs, that is no lite on issue, it requires a combination of physical gifts and experience.

That't the main reason for Klitshko's success. It's not his height and weight anymore and strength and fitness that enable him too win, although they are important. But it;s his experience, the best in the business, that makes it all possible.

There is no bias in this statement. Read carefully.

I get where you're coming from. Experience is priceless. Nearly all the greats started at an early age. I mean look at Floyd, started when he was 4ish. But I was just wondering how you defined pedigree. I agree with what you said, but just remember, considering the state the heavyweight division is in now, I don't think major or significant amateur experience is required to be dominant. I mean once Wlad has retired, the most dominant Heavyweight is Wilder, who has little boxing pedigree. I for sure can't see anyone now, or in the near future (other than AJ) preventing Wilder from being dominant. And let's face is, Wilder is garbage.

You're right, but this Heavyweight era is rubbish. Back in the 90s, pedigree was more important because the competition was so good.

[Elroy1]

Joshua has a good pedigree. He is an Olympic champion, even though some people say he robbed some opponents.

Wilder is bronze medalist in 2008 Bejing Olympics.

Wilder is a fully manufactured prospect, he has no relevance to elite level boxing whatsoever.

In my opinion the WBC should be completely abolished as a result of the foul play in instating Wilder as a champ and something like the IBO taking it's place if necessary at all.

Wilder should also be stripped immediately of his title and have it handed to Povetkin in faith. He, his management and the WBC should also be sued for such corrupt practice.

This isn't anything against Wilder as a boxer, he's ok, just he chose the wrong friends. He could get off on the clause he was not intelligent enough to recognise the scam.