Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[original zero]

"The same usada that has only caught one professional boxer in the span of 5 years."

This silly line is thrown around a lot in this thread.

A couple points . . .

#1 - USADA is only testing the professional boxers that sought out and volunteered (and were willing to pay for) USADA testing. A dirty fighter wouldn't do this. So OF COURSE USADA isn't catching many boxers. Why would you voluntarily hire USADA to test you if you're doping?

If USADA was mandatory for all fighters, then that line would make sense. But since USADA is used by a select few who want more testing, obviously there are going to be very few failures because it's clean fighters hiring USADA to prove they are clean (and make sure their opponent is clean).

#2 - USADA is the organization that brought down Lance Armstrong. An American hero. They were absolutely relentless to catch him at all costs. The idea that they would protect Mayweather, a hated villain, when they had no problem bringing down Armstrong, a beloved hero, is ridiculous.

All of Floyd's samples had CIR testing done. USADA has a biological passport on Floyd. If he uses anything synthetic, USADA will know.

[Spoon23]

I'm thirsty from all this spinning from these flowtards. I'm going to drink a glass of water. No ivs needed.

[travestyny]

I'm thirsty from all this spinning from these flowtards. I'm going to drink a glass of water. No ivs needed.

I simply asked for you to show a link where it says USADA doesn't accept retroactive TUE's anymore.

Do you have a link you can share or not?

Also, do you have any information about whether Pacquaio contributed to the fee given to USADA?

I'm not even attacking you. I'm just asking if you have this information since your post mentioned them or they are relevant to your post.

[travestyny]

"The same usada that has only caught one professional boxer in the span of 5 years."

This silly line is thrown around a lot in this thread.

A couple points . . .

#1 - USADA is only testing the professional boxers that sought out and volunteered (and were willing to pay for) USADA testing. A dirty fighter wouldn't do this. So OF COURSE USADA isn't catching many boxers. Why would you voluntarily hire USADA to test you if you're doping?

If USADA was mandatory for all fighters, then that line would make sense. But since USADA is used by a select few who want more testing, obviously there are going to be very few failures because it's clean fighters hiring USADA to prove they are clean (and make sure their opponent is clean).

#2 - USADA is the organization that brought down Lance Armstrong. An American hero. They were absolutely relentless to catch him at all costs. The idea that they would protect Mayweather, a hated villain, when they had no problem bringing down Armstrong, a beloved hero, is ridiculous.

All of Floyd's samples had CIR testing done. USADA has a biological passport on Floyd. If he uses anything synthetic, USADA will know.

EXACTLY.

I just checked their database. They have 95 instances of testing boxers, including this year, since they first tested a professional boxer in 2010.

You would have to be pretty ****** to volunteer for harsher drug testing and then try to cheat the test.

[Rath]

1L of IV Fluids will infuse at -
20g IV @ 50 ml/min
18g IV @ 90 ml/min
16g IV @ 150 ml/min
14g IV @ 300 ml/min
12g IV @ 450 ml/min
10g IV @ 600 ml/min

These rates are approximate and are the max that the catheter will infuse.

So, if I had a well placed 14g x 1" IV access with effort (pressure bag, manual effort) I could easily dump a liter in over 5 minutes.


For 1 liter:
The drip took about 40 minutes. Check out that massive bag. I couldn't believe the entire thing was going to fit inside my veins. Gross.


From a study pointed out by your boy ADPO2:
"After taking the first blood sample the infusion system was opened and 500 ml of physiological saline was infused in 10 ?13 minutes (range)."



What did you have to say? 250ml in 2-4 hours? Looks like I'm better in calculation than you are. Now admit that you are wrong, and walk away.

non of this you posted ever mentioned that it was for rehydration purposes and was for an athlete.

what you showed was a 750 ml can be done in a matter of 15 minutes and that is true but it's no longer for rehydration purpose.

you choose a comment that serves your agenda and forgot that this comment was also there in your link

"Last week I had a trauma patient that we ran boluses and blood into her with two Level 1 infusers. On a infuser you can transfuse a unit of PRBC's in less than a minute, and a liter bolus in a couple minutes.

The woman ended up bleeding out from her pelvic fx. Her pH was 6.93 and Hgb was 3 after 24 units of PRBC's. Terrible case."

nice spin. safe is it not? LOL

[travestyny]

non of this you posted ever mentioned that it was for rehydration purposes and was for an athlete.

what you showed was a 750 ml can be done in a matter of 15 minutes and that is true but it's no longer for rehydration purpose.

you choose a comment that serves your agenda and forgot that this comment was also there in your link

"Last week I had a trauma patient that we ran boluses and blood into her with two Level 1 infusers. On a infuser you can transfuse a unit of PRBC's in less than a minute, and a liter bolus in a couple minutes.

The woman ended up bleeding out from her pelvic fx. Her pH was 6.93 and Hgb was 3 after 24 units of PRBC's. Terrible case."

nice spin. safe is it not? LOL

Really? That's how YOU try to spin this?

You said 250ml of IV fluid would take 2-4 hours.

I showed you proof that you are wrong.

Furthermore, the second link I gave you IS FOR REHYDRATION.

The woman took 1 liter of IV fluid in 40 minutes.

So...you going to admit you are wrong now?

"The theory behind businesses like The IV Doc is that a mix of hydration and certain vitamins can cure hangover symptoms like headaches, nausea, and dehydration."

The drip took about 40 minutes. Check out that massive bag. I couldn't believe the entire thing was going to fit inside my veins. Gross.



Anything else to say?

[Spoon23]

The same usada that took 13 years to strip Lance Armstrong of his tainted wins.

The same usada that without the help of outside forces to press on Lance Atmstrong's doping case, they wouldn't have pressed on, but due to the public outcry and an outside force carrying the gauntlet of truth. Usada eventually stepped up and convicted a cheat.

USADA is dodgy as ****, covered for Lance Armstrong for years and are very corrupt.


Pressure from the vangaurds of truth will do that to a corrupt agency. In short, to save face Usada had to deliver on what was a clear cheat. They had to act to save face.

This will also happen to Floyd once someone in the inside is not compensated for keeping quiet. Once one squeels. It will all fall down. And Usada will again have to strip an athlete of a false win.

Armstrong had been the subject of doping allegations ever since winning the 1999 Tour de France. In 2012, a United States Anti-Doping Agency investigation concluded that Armstrong had used performance-enhancing drugs over the course of his career[4] and named him as the ringleader of "the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen."[5] Armstrong chose not to contest the charges, citing the potential toll on his family.[6] As a result, he received a lifetime ban from competing in all sports that follow the World Anti-Doping Agency code—effectively ending his athletic career. He was also stripped of all of his achievements after 1998, including his seven Tour de France titles.[7] On October 22, 2012, the Union Cycliste Internationale upheld USADA's decision.[8] They also decided that his stripped wins would not be allocated to other riders.[N 1][9] Armstrong chose not to appeal the decision to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

'HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF'

[travestyny]

The same usada that took 13 years to strip Lance Armstrong of his tainted wins.

The same usada that without the help of outside forces to press on Lance Atmstrong's doping case, they wouldn't have pressed on, but due to the public outcry and an outside force carrying the gauntlet of truth. Usada eventually stepped up and convicted a cheat.

Pressure from the vangaurds of truth will do that to a corrupt agency. In short, to save face Usada had to deliver on what was a clear cheat. They had to act to save face.

This will also happen to Floyd once someone in the inside is not compensated for keeping quiet. Once one squeels. It will all fall down. And Usada will again have to strip an athlete of a false win.

Armstrong had been the subject of doping allegations ever since winning the 1999 Tour de France. In 2012, a United States Anti-Doping Agency investigation concluded that Armstrong had used performance-enhancing drugs over the course of his career[4] and named him as the ringleader of "the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen."[5] Armstrong chose not to contest the charges, citing the potential toll on his family.[6] As a result, he received a lifetime ban from competing in all sports that follow the World Anti-Doping Agency code—effectively ending his athletic career. He was also stripped of all of his achievements after 1998, including his seven Tour de France titles.[7] On October 22, 2012, the Union Cycliste Internationale upheld USADA's decision.[8] They also decided that his stripped wins would not be allocated to other riders.[N 1][9] Armstrong chose not to appeal the decision to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

'HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF'

Where is the documentation that states USADA no long accepts retroactive TUE's? Or did you just blatantly lie?

[Rath]

Really? That's how YOU try to spin this?

You said 250ml of IV fluid would take 2-4 hours.

I showed you proof that you are wrong.

Furthermore, the second link I gave you IS FOR REHYDRATION.

The woman took 1 liter of IV fluid in 40 minutes.

So...you going to admit you are wrong now?

"The theory behind businesses like The IV Doc is that a mix of hydration and certain vitamins can cure hangover symptoms like headaches, nausea, and dehydration."

The drip took about 40 minutes. Check out that massive bag. I couldn't believe the entire thing was going to fit inside my veins. Gross.



Anything else to say?

that 250 ml in 2- 4 hours was an emergency dehydrated case.

the example you gave was not for rehydration purposes but for hung over. that she needs to cure immediately in a matter of couple of hours.
and she was not an athlete with set of rules to follow.

it was done to alleviate hung over and "one of" the effects of drinking is dehydration., unlike Floyd's case where floyd is not doing IV because he has a headache and nausea brought about by drinking LOL.


wonder why you ignore the comment of a patient bleeding from her pelvic?

and also you forgot to copy paste this it's from your link too ""None of those [health claims] have been FDA approved or validated by any kind of controlled scientific studies," a doctor named Jon LaPook told CBS News in a story on IV hangover cures. He added that IV vitamin drips don't have much effect on otherwise healthy people."

oh yeah, it does not served your agenda.

genius floyd fan and his logic

talking about the ears when the issue at hand is about the nose, on a premise that both ears and nose can be found in the head LOL

[Spoon23]

Now to all the fl0mos in here.

Your effort will be for naught if you can't find the reason why froid was severely dehydrated that he can't even drink orally before the biggest night of his life.

Ivs are only use in accordance to the wada code if and only there is sufficient proof an athlete cant drink orally.

Why orally?

If an athlete cant drink orally, then that's one of the main reasons for severe dehydration. Since floyd was seen drinking fine during the weigh-in and was approved by the nsac doctor as fit to fight the next day. It only shows how questionable it is that on the biggest fight of his life. Floyd was stricken ill and had to be bed ridden to use ivs.

Since the spotlight of him being a cheat is upon him. As evident to all the iv gate articles, 200k viewers of this iv gate scandal. The burden of proof to show he is indeed severedly dehydrated is upon himself.

This case is simple. If he really didnt cheat. Then he shouldnt be aftaid to show facts of his severe dehydration on why it was necessary to use iv than to drink orally for hydration.
He had only to prove it. What are the factors? Who was the physician who certified him severely dehydrated. And is that physician medically licensed to diagnose such cases? All this can clear his name, and yet he rather hide from the blanket of technicalities.

Yes, he got away in the court, but in the court of public opinion it only shows red flags that must be answered since it is obvious there are clear signs of foul play that cleaned up this iv scandal.

If he really is honest all he has to do to clear his legacy and name and show proof of his condition.

And yet..

Silence..