Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[ADP02]

How is any of this relevant? What you are posting just proves that you need the medical records. Thanks

What are the facts of this case?
1. He took a 750ml IV.
Which is illegal

2. It was approved by USADA
NSAC called it "Unacceptable"
Conte said "its against the rules"
Critics said "Floyd was not significantly dehydrated to warrant an IV.

3. It couldn't mask tests taken the next day.
I gave you 2 scenarios which makes this point irrelevant.
This is just a deflection. The date in question is May 1st. That is when Floyd delayed 6 hours to give his urine. Drank orally a lot and used an IV. All this will mask and distort the test. This goes against what even USADA preaches

4. He gave a partial urine sample before the IV.
Was it a drop, maybe more. Was it after a delay of 5 hours? It was then mixed with the sample after getting an IV.

5. He passed 19 drug tests.
Lance Armstrong passed 200+ tests.




What are your accusations for which you have no proof for?
1. He wasn't severely dehydrated (yet the ISTUE doesn't mention that he had to be).
WADA says this:
The use of IV infusions in sport is commonly linked with rehydration after exhaustive effort, and this situation is arguably the major cause of debate. It must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific evidence to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred the****utic choice, potentially even more effective than IV infusion



2. He micro-dosed (No proof)
Floyd masked with an IV. Distorted the evidence!

3. He masked (No proof)
IVs are used to mask. If Floyd's weight was relatively stable. Then it had to be for another reason. IV distorted the evidence!

4. He paid off USADA (No proof)
Floyd's representatives paid USADA 150K for 1 fight!!!
Lance's representatives paid UCI 100K for a year for drug testing. USADA called that unethical!!!!!!!!!

6. He masked again. (No proof)
See response to 3

7. Lance did it, so Mayweather did it (Anecdotal fallacy ?using a personal experience or an isolated example instead of sound reasoning or compelling evidence.)
You are implying that it was difficult for Floyd to have used PEDs. Right? Insert Lance's name when you say that next time and then laugh then erase what you just wrote. That would be simpler!!!


This is quite clear.

I added the red and blue highlighted text. Its quite clear now

[ADP02]

Hydrating orally..

Such a thirst quencher! Hydrates you in no time!

lol ..... I like that!

[ADP02]

Just to let you know you're losing this debate miserably. Your speculation of the unknown is getting slapped around with cold hard facts.

You're a smart pact@rd but you can't discern what is factual vs opinion. "Can boxing trust usada" was an editorial filled with open ended questions. This is where you've gone wrong in your crusade against Floyd.




But there is still hope for your hero Pac man. Start a petition for wada to review the tue that usada approved. This is where you should devote you time and energy.

If the tue was bs, wada can reverse usada decision.

I get paid by FLOYD MAYWEATHER SR.
to post here.

It is my job to observe and report prolonged pact@rd behavior in individuals before and after may 2nd.


You are making me a lot of money.

You are just saying that to get paid more ....

[Larry the boss]

why did this loss hurt ya'll so much?

[ADP02]

why did this loss hurt ya'll so much?

Have you started being a boxing reporter?

First job should be: How can someone request and get an IV when WADA says you shouldn't unless its a severe dehydration.

Interview:
- Floyd, Ellerbe and Dr Ariza to get their take on this.
- USADA on why it was given? Was it because of the 150K? Was it due to being pressured? Feeling pressure? Floyd is the hometown guy? Why? It goes against your own rules.
They can even keep it general, if they do not want to get into specifics.

Ask them all to make this scandal transparent. Come clean and show us why Floyd's case was so special that he got the IV.

- Get a 3rd party's opinion on this. To see if what Floyd and company are saying is all BS. SO far it is BS. Just saying.


- Ask them all, if Floyd's weight was relatively stable for 30 days and that means he was at most mildly dehydrated and USADA/WADA state that you should then rehydrate orally, why was FLoyd using an IV? There are alternatives.


Good luck and Happy reporting!

[Larry the boss]

Have you started being a boxing reporter?

First job should be: How can someone request and get an IV when WADA says you shouldn't unless its a severe dehydration.

Interview:
- Floyd, Ellerbe and Dr Ariza to get their take on this.
- USADA on why it was given? Was it because of the 150K? Was it due to being pressured? Feeling pressure? Floyd is the hometown guy? Why? It goes against your own rules.
They can even keep it general, if they do not want to get into specifics.

Ask them all to make this scandal transparent. Come clean and show us why Floyd's case was so special that he got the IV.

- Get a 3rd party's opinion on this. To see if what Floyd and company are saying is all BS. SO far it is BS. Just saying.


- Ask them all, if Floyd's weight was relatively stable for 30 days and that means he was at most mildly dehydrated and USADA/WADA state that you should then rehydrate orally, why was FLoyd using an IV? There are alternatives.


Good luck and Happy reporting!

I dont get why this has affected ya'll so much...it is like ya'll can not move on with ya'lls life...its over

[Dosumpthin]

but remember:
"The use of IV infusions in sport is commonly linked with rehydration after
exhaustive effort, and this situation is arguably the major cause of debate. It must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific evidence to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred the****utic choice, potentially even more effective than IV infusion."

Pact@rds will never get it.

Basically wada doesn't want every athlete using an iv for breakfast lunch and dinner.

So they made iv use prohibited unless you have a tue.
In other words we at wada need to know when and why your using an iv. They don't want to support a culture that makes its easy for cheaters mask and to simply justify excessive iv use because it's legal.


They ACKNOWLEDGE iv use for rehydration is DEBATABLE and PREFER athletes to rehydrate orally.


Floyd used the iv once, called usada, pissed in the cup before and after, and followed protocol above and beyond nsac rules.


Pact@rds are left holding a conspiracy bag with hopes of gaining some sort of moral victory.


Pathetic.


But hey, don't like it....

CONTACT WADA AND ASK THEM TO REVIEW THE TUE

watch them laugh at your ******ity.

[Lester Tutor]

Pact@rds will never get it.

Basically wada doesn't want every athlete using an iv for breakfast lunch and dinner.

So they made iv use prohibited unless you have a tue.
In other words we at wada need to know when and why your using an iv. They don't want to support a culture that makes its easy for cheaters mask and to simply justify excessive iv use because it's legal.


They ACKNOWLEDGE iv use for rehydration is DEBATABLE and PREFER athletes to rehydrate orally.


Floyd used the iv once, called usada, pissed in the cup before and after, and followed protocol above and beyond nsac rules.


Pact@rds are left holding a conspiracy bag with hopes of gaining some sort of moral victory.


Pathetic.


But hey, don't like it....

CONTACT WADA AND ASK THEM TO REVIEW THE TUE

watch them laugh at your ******ity.

ADP doesn't realize that common sense knowledge minus the advent of medical technology and for a grand millenia x 100, of course the preferred choice is oral intake. It's a universal medical book. If some bloke in a 3rd country miles away from a hospital wouldn't even consider an IV, just drink water. And that's even out of the context because in this particular combat sport where weight expectations are a huge factor and known practice for IVs...and every boxer in that last context tested for substances just like May 2 bout protocols... [sarcasm]

But we already went over these things at the advent of the thread.

[Spoon23]

lol ..... I like that!

Fl0mos will never get it. It's that obvious, but they cant coz they won't lol

[Spoon23]

The reason MMA athletes have gravitated towards IV hydration is that they only have 24 hours before the fight, and with IVs in one to two hours they immediately feel better. When they feel better quicker, they have more time to mentally prepare instead of feeling terrible the day before sometimes the biggest fight of their careers. If you have never been severely dehydrated before, it�s an absolutely terrible and evil place. The dehydrated body lives in world similar to the body aches and lethargy of influenza, and the mind experiences the ripping headache/light sensitivity and inattentiveness of a proper hangover. Now imagine feeling this way the day before a fight.

The oral re-hydrator has to drink, sometimes several liters of rehydration liquid, before they feel the same effects. This could take hours, or even half a day. Boxing and wrestling are the only other major sports to expect its athletes to endure these constraints.

Don't make it sound like IV infusion is a standard practice in boxing. MMA yes, that is why they look like roided freeks.

But after the may 2 event. MMA decided to ban IVS completely. Since these are for masking peds, and you'd be dumb not to see how amped these fighters are. Comparing boxers body to MMA. MMA looks juiced up amped.

So don't defend a sport that is trying to change for the better as is also boxing. IV infusion has always been means to covering up peds. Nsac, MMA, WADA are putting stricter rules in preventing this lame way of hydrating.

1000ml of IV infusion is less than the potency of a bottle of pedialyte taken orally. There are other ways to rehydrate orally.

Drink 10 liters of Gatorade if you are swcwrely dehydrated is ample enough in a 24 hour window to chug that all in. As long as a fighter is healthy enough to drink orally.
Orally is still the best way, unless you have plans of cheating.