Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[Spoon23]

NSAC BENNETT: "As far as USADA, I was extremely disappointed that I wasn't notified right away (about Mayweather receiving an IV). When it comes to TUE, we are the sole agency that approves the administering of TUEs. USADA, nor any other anti-doping agency that does drug testing, doesn't have the authority to adminster a TUE.

"The bottom line is USADA didn't keep us informed, which is totally unacceptable and unprofessional."

IF it is not acceptable, normally the end result is to fine the party that got caught. That's what a normal sane person/organization would do, but instead NSAC with them say it's unprofessional and unacceptable what usada has done surprisingly miraculously went against the grain of what they said and gave them a golden ticket. (tue)

Corruption in boxing can't get any clearer than that.

[Zaroku]

Spoon -

I do not post on this site under any name other than my own. St Laurent is my legal name. I am the great grandson of former Canadian Prime Minister Louis St Laurent. I've done nothing to conceal my identity.

If you feel strongly that I am "considerthis," I am willing to take a polygraph examination if you agree that each of us will put up $10,000. If I'm telling the truth, I get your 10k. If I'm lying, you get mine. Interested?

I'd be happy to offer my opinion on Bennett's statement as well as my opinion on anything else you are curious about, but you can't disregard the facts and just post "sheep" over and over and then expect me to continue to try to have an adult conversation with you.

I am not a fan of either fighter being discussed and I am not a fan of boxing in general. I just happen to work in the combat sports industry and closely follow various combat sports regardless of whether I enjoy them or not. So I'm not going to have an emotional attachment to many of the subjects that some of you seem so attached to.

Bennett was clearly trying to save face because Hauser exposed that drug testing in sports is a joke. Anybody on the inside knows that 99% of professional athletes are doping. It's just how the game is played. Drug testing programs have nothing to do with stopping drug use and everything to do with public relations and creating plausible deniability.

But if you're going to ask me to criticize the NSAC, I'm not going to do it. I work with many athletic commissions, may need to work with the NSAC someday and I have nothing to gain by criticizing them.

USADA's position was pretty clear and logical though. IV use was 100% legal in Nevada, so there was no need to notify NSAC of something that didn't violate their rules.

But with all of the hysteria after Hauser's article, obviously the NSAC was going to put out a strongly worded statement to deflect the blame to USADA, even though nobody did anything wrong on either side.

However, the public is generally of low intelligence and once they're in an uproar about something, the facts are irrelevant. All that matters is damage control.

Look maple leaf, 51st state of the United States, everyone is an alt to them. Bring your 'A' game Aey? Come strong. It will take time to fit in, he'll I may laugh at you too, but stay in there. Be honest and back up your beliefs.

My opinion is Floyd cheated, but they "elite boxers" are all dirty. But Floyd is too powerful, and nothing will happen. NSAC will do nothing!

Lance represented the U.S. Postal service and was federally investigated. Floyd is not similarly situated, so nothing will happen. Floyd beat Manny easily. Too easily.

Bring your strongest maple syrup!

[Zaroku]

I think your voice carries nothing. I think most times you troll threads and bring nothing to it, but hey that's just my opinion. To me you are just fanboy of a certain retired boxer. Plus i just only replied to you because you leave me IM's in my mailbox and I was just saying damn dude give it up already with this thread.

So we see each other in the same light!

I am a fan of Salvador Sanchez! Only

[Spoon23]

Thomas Hauser wrote in his article, the masking technique of using epitestosterone cream often produces abnormally low T-E ratio since it is difficult to balance the outcome. So Floyd's abnormal results had to be hidden by USADA. USADA has clearly been an active protector of Floyd's doping. This is also proven by Nevada State Athletic Commission who also did two tests on Floyd and these two lab reports were reported this year and both had abnormal results, showing clear traces of manipulation of the testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio.

USADA has clearly supported Floyd's doping by letting him take epitestosterone cream and then waiting many hours for the T-E ratio to become legal. Then USADA has hidden Floyd's abnormal test results, which Nevada State Athletic Commission's two tests show.

Just like Lance Armstrong, Floyd has also used illegal EPO to increase his stamina in fights. Cheating athletes use illegal EPO to boost red blood cell counts, a change that temporarily supercharges endurance by increasing muscles' oxygen-carrying capacity. The most powerful masking agent to hide this doping is with the IV just before the test. Armstrong did this many times, and a former Armstrong teammate once explained that a team doctor smuggled a bag of saline directly past an International Cycling Union tester, inside his raincoat, and delivered it to Armstrong just in time to cheat an EPO test. Floyd and Lance used exactly the same masking techniques to hide their EPO doping.


That USADA let Floyd take the IV before their EPO test is shocking, especially since everyone knows that this is the illegal masking technique that Lance Armstrong used to hide his illegal EPO doping. NSAC should definitely punish Floyd for the illegal use of the IV, just like Lance Armstrong would have been punished if he had been caught taking the IV.They should also demand all of Floyd's tests through the years to be retested with CIR. USADA, however, is obviously as corrupt as corrupt can be.

[Spoon23]

Saint Laurent Just because NSAC agreed to it doesnt make it right buddy. As you seems to not get the bigger picture.Floyd is just one of the pieces that cheated. They were all on this together.

The corruption in boxing is evident here. Remove your blinders. You can't see the foul play even if it's staring at your face or you are just dumb as fuvk.

[Spoon23]

As for why would he'd need an IV...well only one reason for that. To dilute the concentrations of drug in his blood. At his size he has maybe 3.75 litres of blood in his body. 750 ml of saline masks his blood test. It was how lance Armstrong passed all his tests. It's not just testosterone...EPO is the drug that boosts cardio endurance off the charts. He likely used lots of drugs.

Lots of reading to be had but you have to read it.




In situations where EPO tests on recently dosed athletes were unavoidable, team doctors also could have injected saline, or salt water, to dilute a rider's blood and quickly drive down hematocrit. This kind of obfuscating saline injection was a common practice for Armstrong and his team, according to the USADA report.

[Spoon23]

Victor conte

Probably the most su****ious part for me:

A normal testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio is slightly more than 1-to-1. Conte says that one recent study of the general population “placed the average T-E ratio for whites at 1.2-to-1 and for blacks at 1.3-to-1.”

Under WADA standards, a testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio of up to 4-to-1 is acceptable. That allows for any reasonable variation in an athlete’s natural testosterone level (which, for an elite athlete, might be particularly high). If the ratio is above 4-to-1, an athlete is presumed to be doping.

Some athletes who use exogenous testosterone game the system by administering exogenous epitestosterone to drive their testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio down beneath the permitted ceiling. This can be done by injection or by the application of epitestosterone as a cream. In the absence of a CIR test, this masks the use of synthetic testosterone.

But there’s a catch. If an athlete tries to manipulate his or her testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio, it is difficult to balance the outcome. If an athlete uses too much epitestosterone - and the precise amount is difficult to calibrate - the result can be an abnormally low T-E ratio.

Mayweather’s testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio for the April 3, 2013, sample was 0.80. His testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio for the Aug. 18, 2011, sample was 0.69.

“That’s a warning flag,” says Don Catlin. “If you’re serious about the testing, it tells you to do the CIR test.”

The Nevada State Athletic Commission wasn’t as knowledgeable with regard to PED testing several years ago as it is now. Commission personnel might not have understood the possible implications of the 0.69 and 0.80 numbers. But USADA officials were knowledgeable.

[boxinghead530]

So we see each other in the same light!

I am a fan of Salvador Sanchez! Only

Sure guy. Whatever you say.

[Zaroku]

Spoon -

There is a giant gaping hole in your logic. NSAC claimed to be disappointed with USADA, not Mayweather. The IV was 100% legal under NSAC rules.

The public grandstanding in the face of the "controversy" has nothing to do with Mayweather. That is political bickering for NSAC and USADA to figure out. Floyd acted within the rules of NSAC and USADA and did everything by the books.

USADA has explained that they didn't inform NSAC because the IV was legal under Nevada rules. Why would you inform Nevada about something that didn't violate their rules? Seems logical to me.

Good post! Excellent post!

[Zaroku]

Sure guy. Whatever you say.

I believe he was the best feather weight ever. Ever! His passing hurt me. He was an artist in the ring. Beat all comers. Amazing. His two fights with lil red were amazing fights. Showed Mexican grit!