Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[Rath]

Can you point out this rule? I haven't seen it yet. It's possible I've missed it.



I'll accept some fault here due to the way I phrased the statement.

TUEs have to be submitted 21 days ahead of the event for national level athletes, or 28 days for international level athletes, implying they can take up to about 21 days to get approved.

May 1st to May 21st falls within that range.

and this post .

[Rath]

ok fair enough.

he applied for TUE May first the very same day Floyd's medical team composed of memo and ariza administer IV transfusion.

how the hell did he know it will be approved retoractive or not?

what if USADA rejected it will Floyd's medical team drained all those 750 ml of saline solution and vitamin c out of his body on May 21st as a punishment?

the fight was done and over with May 2nd.

it's just does not make sense no matter how you spin it.

oh by the way

Floyd vs Pac was an international level that falls to 28 days prior

May 1st to May 21st is just 21 days

is this another fault due to how you phrased your statement again?

and finally this post

[fourtheboys96]

the retroactive TUE and the volume involved reeks of something fishy.

the IV was done already. so what is the use of a TUE if it is done if IV is already done?

Then in the USADA Corrections, they did not even deny the 750ml IV supposedly used by Floid. now, if the the volume used by Floid is somewhere near the 50ml/6hr limit, I would probably give some benefit of the doubt to USADA and Floid.

but it was 750ml not 75ml, not 100ml.


IV infusions are included on the Prohibited List mainly because some athletes
could use this Prohibited Method to:
a) increase their plasma volume levels;
b) mask the use of a Prohibited Substance;
c) distort the values of their Athlete Biological Passport.

[ganthet]

the retroactive TUE and the volume involved reeks of something fishy.

the IV was done already. so what is the use of a TUE if it is done if IV is already done?

Then in the USADA Corrections, they did not even deny the 750ml IV supposedly used by Floid. now, if the the volume used by Floid is somewhere near the 50ml/6hr limit, I would probably give some benefit of the doubt to USADA and Floid.

but it was 750ml not 75ml, not 100ml.


IV infusions are included on the Prohibited List mainly because some athletes
could use this Prohibited Method to:
a) increase their plasma volume levels;
b) mask the use of a Prohibited Substance;
c) distort the values of their Athlete Biological Passport.

Great post.

I would also like to add that:

1) USADA is now changing their own story that they themselves said on when Froid actually applied for the TUE. Originally, USADA said that Froid applied for the TUE right then and there at his own home when USADA arrived that day. Now they are changing their story and saying that Froid applied for a TUE several days after the fight. So which one is it and why would they suddenly change their own story? Take note that they didn't even give a specific date, they just conveniently said "several days later after the IV infusion"

2) USADA didn't deny nor refute Hauser saying that Froid tested positive 3 times before. Which means that it was true. He did test positive 3 times before. And this also strengthens and corroborates the story that leaked that Team Pac found this out and asked for the official records and test results and that's when Froid quickly settled out of court. This has really slipped by most people.

[Rath]

Boogie is nowhere to be found again.

that floyd fan is like houdini LOL

[fourtheboys96]

People are pointing out the technicalities, e.g. USADA approved it, it is allowed under the rules, etc., but basic questions are the ones that needs to be answered.

Why is there a need for a TUE in the first place?
Why that big amount of saline solution is needed?

[Rath]

People are pointing out the technicalities, e.g. USADA approved it, it is allowed under the rules, etc., but basic questions are the ones that needs to be answered.

Why is there a need for a TUE in the first place?
Why that big amount of saline solution is needed?

Floyd fans built their case/arguments around NSAC and USADA statement that Floyd did nothing wrong.

and then they spin everything from there.

[b00g13man]

this post .

and this post .

Loooooool. You bellend! What makes you think Floyd is considered an International level athlete?

Additionally, it can take up to 21 (or 28) days doesn't imply it will take exactly 21 (or 28) days.

This is the level of IQ I have to deal with? Poor Rath, just poor. I knew you were intellectually challenged, but this takes the cake.

[Jake_Lamotta]

like May 1st to May 21st is 28 days kind of ******?

Rath goin ham on Boogieman

[Lester Tutor]

the retroactive TUE and the volume involved reeks of something fishy.

the IV was done already. so what is the use of a TUE if it is done if IV is already done?

Then in the USADA Corrections, they did not even deny the 750ml IV supposedly used by Floid. now, if the the volume used by Floid is somewhere near the 50ml/6hr limit, I would probably give some benefit of the doubt to USADA and Floid.

but it was 750ml not 75ml, not 100ml.


IV infusions are included on the Prohibited List mainly because some athletes
could use this Prohibited Method to:
a) increase their plasma volume levels;
b) mask the use of a Prohibited Substance;
c) distort the values of their Athlete Biological Passport.

I was educating so many people last night regarding this subject the rules are becoming 2nd nature. Let me elaborate the out of context malicious propaganda of what people like to enjoy and cherry pick.

The retroactive TUE protocol was not invented by USADA nor the NSAC, nor any commission or other Anti-Doping agencies such as VADA. It is a code by WADA for the simple logic that ANYTHING can happen to an athlete during the time of a competition. That is common sense. So if something would happen, a guideline must be enforced to adhere to the code, and in Mayweather's case, agents from USADA and as Kevin Iole reported in late May, urine samples (for EPO) were taken before and after. Keep in mind Pac and Floyd are on the Biological Passport clock so monitoring and testing is always enforced and a day later on May 2nd, both fighters provide blood and urine again.

Vitamins and saline are general practice for dehydrated IV patients. There's no such thing in medical practice to provide 50ml of a fluid bag per 6 hour period to rehydrate patients. That's like someone inflating a flat tire only 10% and continuing to drive. A baby infant of less than 5kg requires 200-400ml per 4 hour period. A 15 yr old of 50kg requires 2000ml per 4 hour period. A 50ml bag, which again - people read out of context information - is a bit funny. 50ml IV bags exist in general in the medical world because patients of any sort receive combinations of sources for whatever it is they need for any procedure, not just dehydration. Ever walk into a hospital and you'll see combinations of bags of different sizes...

So why would USADA need to ''deny'' general practice from the medical world? They don't need to play Hauser's game. Imagine a student failing an exam miserable with the Instructor correcting more than 95% of the failed answers yet the student says, ''well I at least got one right...'' and the Instructor says, ''writing your name on the exam doesn't give you any credit.''

Here are is the actual code from WADA:

If a non-prohibited substance is infused or injected without a concurrent hospital admission, surgical procedure or clinical investigation; a TUE must be submitted for this Prohibited Method if more than 50 mL of fluid per a 6-hour period is infused or injected.

If a Prohibited Substance is administered via IV infusion or injection a TUE
application must be submitted for the Prohibited Substance regardless of
whether the infusion is less than 50 mL or the setting/circumstances under
which it is administered. In situations of medical emergency or clinical time
constraints, a retroactive TUE application is acceptable (ISTUE 2015 article 4.3).