Darren Barker: Kessler hardest hitter!

[jreckoning]

I believe Darren Barker. He's sparred with and fought a lot of them so he'd know.

[New England]

I didn't say he is the best fighter. How could I when he lost to Ward when both were in their prime?

However, his resume is better than Ward's.

He also avenged his defeat to Kessler like a real man does. Whenever Ward used to be asked about the Froch rematch he was all "I'm the super middleweight champion. We can do it on my terms" or some shyt like that even though Froch is 15 x the draw Ward is.

there has literally never been a point where american TV would air a rematch of that horrible mismatch. not immiately after the fight, not now, and nowhere in between. it costs too much, and more importantly, it's a rematch of a fight that wasn't competitive.


you're talking about a win like ward needs to avenge it
my reasoning > your own.


and how is his resume better than ward's?
this will be entertaining. it's just unfortunate that i've got to step away from the keyboard at some point.

[Stuntman Mike]

New England ,I feel sorry for you man,**** riding a guy that hasn't had a significant fight in like 3-4 years,making statements about retiring when asked to move up in weight to give his fans a decent fight

Ward is great but like many people argue about Rigondeux,one good win doesn't mean you have a better resume than someone with several(Carl Froch)

Ward will forever be the boxer that time forgot and you'll still be around in 20 years when Froch and Calzaghes sons hit the scene saying Ward would have blitzed them in his career

Wards been decent against the guys he's fought but you can't say he wins every H2H when he hasn't fought a variety of styles

Ward is a nobdy

[LacedUp]

there has literally never been a point where american TV would air a rematch of that horrible mismatch. not immiately after the fight, not now, and nowhere in between. it costs too much, and more importantly, it's a rematch of a fight that wasn't competitive.


you're talking about a win like ward needs to avenge it
my reasoning > your own.


and how is his resume better than ward's?
this will be entertaining. it's just unfortunate that i've got to step away from the keyboard at some point.

no but Ward has been begging for it like a lil biatch.

Why beg for a rematch over a guy you beat?

Froch's resume counts undefeated Pascal, undefeated Bute, undefeated Abraham, undefeated Dirrell, undefeated Groves (x2), Kessler (1-1), Jermain Taylor - add to that he fought former champion Reid, Magee became a champion, he also beat Glen Johnson and Yusuf Mack.

Ward's resume is good too, but it's much more top heavy than Froch's is.

[LacedUp]

Peedah leaves the territory like Americans usually do when it doesn't go their way in battle.

[New England]

no but Ward has been begging for it like a lil biatch.

Why beg for a rematch over a guy you beat?

Froch's resume counts undefeated Pascal, undefeated Bute, undefeated Abraham, undefeated Dirrell, undefeated Groves (x2), Kessler (1-1), Jermain Taylor - add to that he fought former champion Reid, Magee became a champion, he also beat Glen Johnson and Yusuf Mack.

Ward's resume is good too, but it's much more top heavy than Froch's is.

compared to a resume without a top at all?

compared to a resume where the fights at the top of the resume are losses?



you are deluded if you think experts and historians are going to think froch the best SMW of this era. absolutely deluded. there's no reason to even joke about it further.

[Heavyfist]

Who cares if Ward was inactive? Everyone knows it wasn't by choice. Everyone knows if he coulda he woulda stayed put and kept embarrassing fighters. The thing with Ward is, nobody wants to fight him, AND there's actually little point.

Ward cleaned out the division without breaking a sweat. What more did he have to prove? Nothing. As an athlete, as the best boxer, he already accomplished everything. He planted the flag as undisputed.

Now he's just fighting for money.

[LacedUp]

compared to a resume without a top at all?

compared to a resume where the fights at the top of the resume are losses?



you are deluded if you think experts and historians are going to think froch the best SMW of this era. absolutely deluded. there's no reason to even joke about it further.

Well that's not really what we're discussing, is it? But he does have the better resume. I also find it funny that you criticize a guy so much who's unquestionably the best guy on Ward's resume

Kessler also beat Froch and Froch beat him back. Froch fought a better Kessler than Ward fought, both times they met.

Take away Froch from Ward's resume and Froch's resume literally pisses all over it. Add Froch to it, and Froch's own resume still wins.

I don't even know how you can debate it. Other than Kessler and Froch, the other guys on Ward's resume are guys with multiple losses like Miranda and Bika, or medium guys like Allan Green and Chad Dawson.

I honestly don't even see how it's debatable. Froch has about double the amount of world title fights, beat more undefeated fighters, more champions past/future/current, has fought more guys in their backyard *ehm excuse me. Has fought guys in their backyard..

[New England]

Who cares if Ward was inactive? Everyone knows it wasn't by choice. Everyone knows if he coulda he woulda stayed put and kept embarrassing fighters. The thing with Ward is, nobody wants to fight him, AND there's actually little point.

Ward cleaned out the division without breaking a sweat. What more did he have to prove? Nothing. As an athlete, as the best boxer, he already accomplished everything. He planted the flag as undisputed.

Now he's just fighting for money.

the brits. it's all they've got.
ward's a primadonna doe
ward's inactive doe
ward's wife isnt as fit as our rachel, innit?


i joke around to rile them up. it's becoming clear to me now that it genuinely hurts their feelings.

they've built froch into some british great, and a fighter whom they love, and with whom they identify. ward beat him with a bum right shoulder and two broken bones in his left hand. he is left handed.

just let that sink in for a while. imagine how you would feel.

[LacedUp]

Who cares if Ward was inactive? Everyone knows it wasn't by choice. Everyone knows if he coulda he woulda stayed put and kept embarrassing fighters. The thing with Ward is, nobody wants to fight him, AND there's actually little point.

Ward cleaned out the division without breaking a sweat. What more did he have to prove? Nothing. As an athlete, as the best boxer, he already accomplished everything. He planted the flag as undisputed.

Now he's just fighting for money.

So we should give him fantasy points for all the fighters he didn't beat and for all the guys Froch beat? Because he felt like he deserved more money than what was offered?

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