Comments Thread For: Koncz: Only Mayweather, Pacquiao Can Stop The Fight

[mrpizza-nd_beer]

Told you guys fight ain't happening. Floyd went to Manny's hotel room to beg for his life. Espinoza will be offering the deal breaker.

[ostinato]

Yeah, pretty sure the ship has sailed on this one AGAIN.

[Evol]

make this fight but i think its too late to do it for may. make the fight for sept. this is a big fight and i know it doesnt need much promotion, but for a fight this big u want to give it the full respect by doing it the right way.

[Bronx2245]

It's incredible that even after walking away from the 1st negotiations because of a 24 day cutoff, vice a 14 day cutoff, and the whole "scared of needles," and "cuts aren't healed," and "we need an outdoor stadium," people still want to blame Mayweather instead of Arum. Once again Arum was caught in a lie, and it still doesn't seem to register. Some are even giving Arum props for meeting Moonves, when it was Roach who set up the meeting, without Arum's knowledge. It was Floyd who accepted Koncz's invite to the halftime meeting, and the hotel visit. It was Koncz who admitted to lying, just like it was Roach who admitted to derailing the 1st negotiations over blood testing. You have Roach, Michael Marley, Ariza, Gacal, and now Koncz (all people from Mnny's/TR camp), all admitting to Arum's BS, and STILL, some want to blame Floyd. Arum "is who we thought he was," and he is who Les Moonves thought he was:

November 23, 2014:

The man who helped coordinate the first of what fight fans hope will be further fruitful sessions identified himself Sunday.

He’s Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach.

After Pacquiao’s six-knockdown Sunday conquest of Chris Algieri added fuel to the flame of reignited talks to stage the long-evasive super-fight, Roach told reporters he brokered a meeting earlier this year between Pacquiao promoter/fight-maker Bob Arum and CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves...

Following a Pacquiao-Algieri worldwide publicity tour, Roach said he urged Moonves to meet with Arum at the promoter’s Beverly Hills home.

“They didn’t like each other,” Roach said of a strain that dated to Pacquiao’s return to HBO after fighting one bout on Showtime in 2011. “Bob promised [Moonves] three fights … and only gave him one. … [Moonves] actually told me, ‘I’m not dealing with the devil.'"

I kind of sneakily put them together, about four months ago. I knew it was risky. … [Moonves] wanted to make the fight without Bob and I said, ‘That’s not going to happen, you’ve got to bring him in."



For those who say, "why would Arum not want to give us Mayweather vs. Pacquiao?" ask yourselves, "why wouldn't he want to give us De La Hoya vs. Mayweather?"

April 25, 2006:

Arum said Mayweather preferred to await the outcome of the May 6 Oscar De La Hoya-Ricardo Mayorga fight instead of committing to Margarito because he would prefer to fight De La Hoya.

"We're not sitting waiting on De La Hoya," Ellerbe said. "He's in a tough, tough fight with Mayorga."

Many in the sport believe a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight is the biggest fight on the horizon and the only one capable of generating 1 million-plus buys on pay-per-view.

The reason Mayweather opted for the buyout rather than waiting for the May 6 result was because the contract had a limited window for the buyout, one that expired before the De La Hoya fight. However, Arum said he would have extended the window if Mayweather had asked. What Arum wouldn't do, he said, was raise the guarantees for other fights outlined in the contract.

Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

"That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road..."

The split frees Mayweather to make a potential deal with De La Hoya without Arum as part of the promotion. His involvement would have made making a deal almost impossible: The head of Top Rank has openly feuded with De La Hoya, his former superstar, and their companies rarely do business together as a result.

Arum said he was simply not interested in participating in a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight, but not because of his distaste for De La Hoya.

"I don't want to, because if I did that fight, I would be working for such a small percentage, it's not worth it," he said.

[Arshad221]

Theres less than 3 months to go. One side has been ready for weeks. The other side is on vacation in Jamaica

If this fight doesn't happen, you can 100% blame one person and its obvious who it is

Did you even read it?

[bigjavi973]

Like when Pacquiao's side said weeks ago "sign the contract" but were exposed as liars?

Who would be the one to "sign the contract" first? Floyd or Pacquiao?

[Mayweatherfan11]

Column: Floyd Mayweather vs. Manny Pacquiao happens only if latter leans on Time Warner/HBO

By David Mayo | [email protected]
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on February 02, 2015 at 6:30 AM, updated February 02, 2015 at 9:48 AM

The Manny Pacquiao side's deadline came and went with little thaw in the talks for a Floyd Mayweather fight, and precisely the feared television impasse, and if the two sides walk away blaming each other in a few days, remember it was Pacquiao's television network that wasn't motivated to make the fight.

It would be the Mayweather side that walks, through necessity of timing, but the Pacquiao side that forced it.

It is incumbent on both sides to stay at the table, but the fact that Time Warner/HBO has little reason to push for Mayweather-Pacquiao this year remains, even while CBS/Showtime has every reason to deliver it, and until the former gets shoved into the negotiating inferno by Pacquiao and/or his promoter Bob Arum, the fight won't get made. And inevitably, because Mayweather plans to fight May 2 regardless who it is, and Pacquiao's backup plan if he doesn't fight Mayweather on May 2 is an alternate date of May 30, guess who has to walk away from the table first?

That's right. Pacquiao and Arum, and by extension Time Warner/HBO, only have to stall these talks a little while longer, can say they stayed at the table beyond their end-of-January deadline, and can force the opposite side to walk away first because Mayweather has the earlier date to fulfill.

Lest we fail to mention, Arum is a nearly peerless promoter.

Mayweather-Pacquiao for May 2 has a shelf life of about two weeks before the proposal really does wash out completely, and nothing came as a surprise about the events since last week, when we noted here that Time Warner/HBO doesn't have the same motivation to make the fight as CBS/Showtime, whose Mayweather contract expires this year.

The lack of surprising developments included several things: Mayweather discovering that Pacquiao would be at a Miami Heat game one night last week and showing up to confront him; the body language between them; the hotel meeting afterward where you can bet Mayweather enlightened Pacquiao as to precisely where he believes the negotiations' snags are; and the Dewey Defeats Truman moment TMZ suffered in declaring the fight a done deal, which was ridiculous on a number of levels.

And it certainly was not a surprise when Yahoo! reported that Time Warner/HBO and CBS/Showtime had reached an impasse over delayed-telecast rights, which on a fight of that magnitude could be pure gold to the subscription base of the prevailing network.

There isn't a person who cares about boxing who doesn't want Mayweather-Pacquiao now. The major deal points are done. They know where the fight would be, glove weights and brands, weight limit, ring dimensions, who gets introduced first, even how the signing of initial contracts would be announced.
One major sticking point remains: That Time Warner/HBO, for now, still seems to want to make the fight that is best for boxing, but in 2016, when Mayweather could be a television free agent and the two subscription networks might not have to work together on the fight.

The real motivations of the networks, and the major boxing en****** whose events they televise, have come to conflict in this negotiation.

If you stay at the table, and do so with pure motivation, maybe you get the fight done.

If not, everyone can point fingers again in a couple weeks when Mayweather has to get another opponent for a fight three months from today.

What we know this week is precisely what we knew last week, that the two networks are not equally motivated, that CBS/Showtime is working earnestly at Mayweather's behest and in its own contractual interest to find an agreement, and that plenty of people have come to question whether Time Warner/HBO is doing the same.

The subscription networks don't typically knuckle under to that kind of public pressure in these negotiations, but the fact remains that Time Warner/HBO has responsibilities to both shareholders and the Pacquiao camp to satisfy, and making Mayweather-Pacquiao in 2016, solely under its television banner, would be its ideal.

But also on that list of clients and clientele to satisfy is Pacquiao, and by extension his promoter Arum, and who's to say Time Warner/HBO isn't, in fact, satisfying both with its reluctance?

Time Warner/HBO won't make the fight without real internal pressure from Pacquiao/Arum first. There is little way to know how strong that pressure is.

What has become clear is that Time Warner/HBO, in balking at the negotiating table, is acting on behalf of everyone on its side of the table, including Pacquiao.

Whether it's money, or weight, or drug testing, or promotional impasse, or competing television contracts, there often is a way to say no to a fight you don't want without saying the word.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Can't lie, really starting to lose confidence at the moment.

[AgainstTheRopes]

BoxingScene reusing old quotes again to make a story.

Smh

[Ahmed_Ismail]

Yes,and next your going to tell me that 9/11,cancer and Ebola,are all caused by and Bob arum and his ***ish dark magic... Its funny how you took a nice long **** on the people you don't like,but found it perfectly fine to stroke mayweathers shaft, at the thought of him rematching a blown up paper champ cotto for the middleweight belt AT 154.5! But hey,you don't have to use logic and reasoning,if you're you're going to just spew out pointless hate,now do you?

It's incredible that even after walking away from the 1st negotiations because of a 24 day cutoff, vice a 14 day cutoff, and the whole "scared of needles," and "cuts aren't healed," and "we need an outdoor stadium," people still want to blame Mayweather instead of Arum. Once again Arum was caught in a lie, and it still doesn't seem to register. Some are even giving Arum props for meeting Moonves, when it was Roach who set up the meeting, without Arum's knowledge. It was Floyd who accepted Koncz's invite to the halftime meeting, and the hotel visit. It was Koncz who admitted to lying, just like it was Roach who admitted to derailing the 1st negotiations over blood testing. You have Roach, Michael Marley, Ariza, Gacal, and now Koncz (all people from Mnny's/TR camp), all admitting to Arum's BS, and STILL, some want to blame Floyd.

What do you have to say now?!