Bad Stoppage by Benjy Esteves

[The Dreamer]

Bad judgement. Example of the ref getting too caught up in the rules and losing sight of the bigger picture. Was he up at 9, 9.9, 10.1? If they have to go to the high speed footage to see if he got up exactly before 10 it must have been too close to call in real time. So give the guy the benefit of the doubt to account for the margin of human error! The fans paid to see a fight. It's not like he was out of it.

In contrast. I thought the ref in the Broner-Taylor fight did a great job. After the spin punch thing you could tell the ref was so close to taking a point away from Taylor, but he composed himself, took stock of the situation and did the right thing in not taking a point away. That's someone that understands the rules, but also context.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

its pretty self explanatory that there's a difference between counting to 10 and interpreting the 10 count and when to end a fight in a sport called boxing.

now this is your final warning,

again, for the last time,

can you show me evidence of your ardent interpretation of the 10 count rule in the sport of boxing?

Oh the irony

[racer59]

actually there is.

again, this is the last time im gonna ask you,

can you show me evidence of your interpretation of the 10 count rule in the sport of boxing?

This is the rule under MoQ. I debated this earlier in another thread:

"If either man falls through weakness or otherwise, he must get up unassisted, 10 seconds to be allowed him to do so, the other man meanwhile to return to his corner, and when the fallen man is on his legs the round is to be resumed and continued until the three minutes have expired. If one man fails to come to the scratch in the 10 seconds allowed, it shall be in the power of the referee to give his award in favour of the other man."

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

Oh the irony

so no evidence of your ardent interpretation of the 10 count rule in boxing. good to know dirk. also learn how to use the word irony properly.

This is the rule under MoQ. I debated this earlier in another thread:

"If either man falls through weakness or otherwise, he must get up unassisted, 10 seconds to be allowed him to do so, the other man meanwhile to return to his corner, and when the fallen man is on his legs the round is to be resumed and continued until the three minutes have expired. If one man fails to come to the scratch in the 10 seconds allowed, it shall be in the power of the referee to give his award in favour of the other man."

FINALLLLYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thank you for your posting professionalism.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

This is the rule under MoQ. I debated this earlier in another thread:

"If either man falls through weakness or otherwise, he must get up unassisted, 10 seconds to be allowed him to do so, the other man meanwhile to return to his corner, and when the fallen man is on his legs the round is to be resumed and continued until the three minutes have expired. If one man fails to come to the scratch in the 10 seconds allowed, it shall be in the power of the referee to give his award in favour of the other man."

based on what you wrote if that's from an actual rule book, ortiz should have been allowed to continue.

people act like the ref counted past 10 and ortiz was still doing the booty dew or something. he was already up at 10.

[The Hammer]

He clearly beat the count.

It was very similar to the Malik Scott stoppage against Dereck Chisora.

[racer59]

stop with the straw man arguments. there's a difference between knowing how to count to 10 and interpreting the 10 count in the sport of boxing.

again,

can you show me evidence of your interpretation of the 10 count?

thanks in advance. if you put up another ad hominem straw man post about not being able to count to 10 you're going on ignore.

In any case. I stated earlier that I disagreed with Dirk. But after thinking about it, I think he is accurate, 8, 9 and 0UT.

As an example, if you take an exam and you are allotted 30 minutes to complete the exam, time is up at the moment the clock hits 30. You don't include the 30th minute. I was wrong earlier when debating and Dirk was 100% right.

[racer59]

based on what you wrote if that's from an actual rule book, ortiz should have been allowed to continue.

people act like the ref counted past 10 and ortiz was still doing the booty dew or something. he was already up at 10.

Yes, that's the actual rule. The issue is that he wasn't completely upright at the count of 10. Therefore, he did not beat the count.

[torosboxing75]

You don't wait till the ref says 9 to get up.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

In any case. I stated earlier that I disagreed with Dirk. But after thinking about it, I think he is accurate, 8, 9 and 0UT.

As an example, if you take an exam and you are allotted 30 minutes to complete the exam, time is up at the moment the clock hits 30. You don't include the 30th minute. I was wrong earlier when debating and Dirk was 100% right.

Yes, that's the actual rule. The issue is that he wasn't completely upright at the count of 10. Therefore, he did not beat the count.

my interpretation of the 10 count is 8,9,10. you're out.

if you are getting up at 9 you should be allowed to continue.
hell if you are getting up at 10, you should be allowed to continue.

if the ref just finished screaming the word 10 and you're not getting up and still on the canvas, then you're out. that's what i got from your rule. can you post a link of where you got that rule?

i mean you have to give the boxer the benefit of the doubt here. it wasnt like he was getting rocked left and right. you have to be ******* when it comes to interpreting the 10 count.

that was a bad stoppage through and through by esteves, who i never remember being involved in any bad ref jobs. the guy was clearly recovered and waiting to get up. he was already up at 10.

its at the refs discretion and if esteves used any common sense, he would have seen that it was a body shot, not some temple shot where its hard to recover from and its dangerous. proper discretion would have been to see if the fighter can continue.