Official Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Klitschko Post Fight Discussion Thread

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Wlad. will make some cash in the rematch, and retire.

You never know in boxing of course.

Nothing is a foregone conclusion.

Nevertheless, Tyson Fury outboxed Wladimer, and clearly won the fight.

Wladimir has a punchers chance i suppose, but if he comes out in the rematch looking for a KO, Fury dances round him, Wlad gasses midway through the fight and gets knocked out.

Wladimir cannot outbox Fury.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Without the stoppage Vitali was going to get knocked out.

I've always said that too. Its clear as day. And that's why the doctors finally stopped the fight. The only reason why they were letting it go is because he looked like he had a chance to beat Lewis. after it started to look bad for Vitali, they stopped it.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

remember that rant WLAD OWNS would incessantly post regarding the Lewis fight? "Vitali was a man on a mission and would have won by brutal KO"

Did you know FREEDOM is WLAD OWNS? He just changed his name.

[sunny31]

Did you know FREEDOM is WLAD OWNS? He just changed his name.

Ha ha Klitschko fan's are beyond pathetic. They literally have no shame, and they actually ruin the Klitschko's appeal for me. That is the funny thing because they want them to be popular but they have the opposite effect because they are such raving lunatics.

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Regarding the comments about Vitalie versus Lewis... To a normal rational person it seems ridiculous because normal people have a measure of common sense, if nothing else, but there are objective measures.

What should have been obvious about the Vitalie Lewis fight, was that Vitalie's power, which had been ungauged in many respects, when in against an A level fighter, was not enough. to dent Lewis. Vitalie caught Lewis with shots early in the fight, when he was fresh and Lewis did not drop. lewis' punches, which really started to hit Vitalie regularly during the last rounds of the fight, were doing more damage (Vitali's face).

Given this situation, and the fact that, EVEN allowing Vitalie to continue (hypothetically speaking) would have only allowed him another round or so, if possible at all! there was really no way for him to beat Lewis at the trend the fight was moving towards. IMO this is what gets most people: The notion that Vitalie was on the upswing is false. Lewis had the momentum turned in his favor decisively, it was not just a back and fourth where Vitalie got a freak injury and Lewis was fading as many Flinchko fans seem to think.



The above link is the scorecard for the fight. I think it is a fair statement that heavyweights with the output of Vitalie and Lewis, given their size and speed are fairly easy to see in the ring. Judges seemed fair, certainly not afraid to give the challenger rounds that he won...No one seemed to have an issue with the scoring.

Two judges gave the third round to Lewis, prior to that round Lewis had not won a round. But this was not a trend because Vitalie won the next round. What is important here is that a fresh Vitalie klitsko was able to hit Lewis with his best shots and unable to take him out. This was Vitalie's chance and despite his best ko percentage at the time, despite Lewis' bad conditioning for the fight, and despite Lewis' alleged chin problems, Vitali was unable to so much as put Lewis down for a count. This is relevant because in fact, as we shall see, this was really the part of the fight Vitalie dominated.

After this fourth round Lewis starts getting better, trending. In fact, One judge gave Lewis the fifth round. This is important because Lewis wins the next round and the fight stops...All the judges gave that last sixth round to Lewis BTW.

So we can clear up two misconceptions: First, Lewis was definitiely coming on, the round before the stoppage was sufficiently close that one judge gave it to Lewis, and the next round he won convincgly and stopped Vitalie. The other misconception is that Vitalie was wining this fight in a meaningful way. The fight was close, all judges had Vitalie by a mere round, hardly a lead that one could protect, especially considering that at the point of stoppage, the last dominant round Vitalie had was two rounds ago, and that round (the fourth) was really a back and fourth because lewis won the third round on two judge's cards...so really the last trend for Vitalie was the second round.

In fact the trending in this fight was as follows: Vitali winning the first two rounds convincingly, the third and fourth were back and fourth rounds where neither guy dominated. The fifth was close enough that one judge saw it for Lewis, two for Vitalie, but Lewis did better than the round before where, he lost that round to Vitalie to all judges....and then the final round. This obviously was a close fight where Lewis was trending up, and Vitalie would have needed to do a lot more than try to nurse one round of difference.

when people say Lewis was getting tired the scorecards tell a different story. He may have been tired after the third round, but after losing the fourth he was good enough to win the next round for one judge and dominate the final round of the fight.

So you are a ringside doctor and, lets say Vitalie's face is a mess, but, lets say Lewis won the first 3 rounds, and Vitalie barely wins the fourth, and dominates the fifth and sixth. Well....this might make you at least give the guy another round (hypothetically). One can imagine where a trend in favor of Vitalie might make a boxing doc keep a very close eye (pardon the pun) on him and give him some time to see the trend through...BUT that was clearly not the case! Elroy the idiot among others totally misrepresents the fact that Vlad was fading...its in the boxes used by the judges, Vitalie was on the ropes and taking more punishment, Lewis was indeed coming on.

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juggernaut666'S breakdown is absolutely ridiculous.

Way to lose all credibility (pretending you still had any).

As stated you like the others cant point out where what round or even challenge my exact time of action of significant punches being taking place ,and wont because it will only support what i hzve posted and show Wlad did indeed win 5 rnds as i said from the beginning ,and maybe more? So go ahead do it ?And we'll see who has the more credibility , i already know that answer ,you've already used the Lewis out for a year excuse when Lewis himself said taking Vitali on short notice gaves him the advantage bc Vitali had very little time himself to prepare for a world champion !


AS far as your Lewis scoring which is reasonable ,however Vitalis punch out put was not dropping like Lewis ,Lewis won the last half minute of the last rnd after Vitali had punched Lewis back into the ropes ,both were tired and falling and leaning as the bell rang .....even the british boxing media fealt Lewis was going to get k.od had the fight continued ....along with just about every one of note that ive seen comment on it from Dundee to even Holmes who cant stand Klitchko's!

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I've always said that too. Its clear as day. And that's why the doctors finally stopped the fight. The only reason why they were letting it go is because he looked like he had a chance to beat Lewis. after it started to look bad for Vitali, they stopped it.

Its very obvious infact.

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I'm trying to keep up with the post on here which have been difficult, I'm not going no place I'm just feeling the weight and expectations of the Christmas workload run up, been having to get up earlier and I'm getting home later too. When I am logging in I'm generally just reading as opposed to posting as much.

I'm enjoying this still, this whole scenario has posed a lot more questions than I was asking before, the main one from before is do I believe Wlad can still destroy Wilder ? Absolutely yes, nothing I saw versus Fury or more to the point proves anything otherwise IMO.

Wilder knows Wlad is a handful after having sparred him and is and was reluctant stating he is waiting for Wlad to get old for good reason. I've read sparring reports and I am aware whoever wrote them did not want Wilder to come across as a softy as he was being built up as he still is and would be upset these reports were aired.

What I am enjoying most is Wilder now trashing Klitschko like he never had a chance, even in the event Fury beats Wlad again their is still a good chance Wlad continues at this level, presuming of course he does not far worse than he did last out and their are widespread calls for him to retire. I don't see personally how Fury can better his performance and Wlad can he really perform any worse, he took Fury's best shots and barely winced. I know this you will oppose but by my reckoning Fury never had Wlad in any trouble whatsoever.

Klitschko would knock Wilder out, its as simple as that. We both know the score with this one man. Fury was just a very very awkward fight for Wlad and he froze up, Wilder would NOT be able to freeze Wlad up like that with consistent movement, feints and switching, Wilder isn't that good or that versatile. Wlad at the ripe old age of 39 is still the second best heavyweight on the planet, i'm looking forward to the rematch it should be more competitive!

[Burt Saxby]

Round 8

bell rings wlad comes Forward..AGAIN at 2:17 lands jab.
Fury throws left hook ,doesn't land at 2:14 Both land jabs at 2:02.fury throws jab deflected at 1:34.nothing of significancelands the entire round...by default goes to the CHAMPION...Rnd...wlad


round 9


Bell rings fury throws a few jabs that are ALL blocked.Wlad stalking..into a minute nothing has significantly landed..Fury throws a jab which is picked off and Wlad lands his own at 1:54.Wlad lands a nice right hand at 1:46,the best punch of the fight so far.Wlad has him going backward,both miss big right hands.fury throws a jab that shoots over wlads shoulder.Wlad turns his back and is hit with big left hookat 1:06.furry misses on all persuing punches.more clinmnchin.both throw a flurry,fury connects with aone on the inside at 47 sec.Fury lands nice left hook at 10.Sec...Rnd????


Rnd10

Bell rings..numerous jabs are thrown by both nothing landing...wlad lands at 2:38.over a minute and no one has landed any clean punch of note.Wlad continues to press Fury swings wildly and missesat 1:06.Wlad lands good right handat 9 sec.....what was that saying to beat the champ?....Rnd???you figure it out!


rnd 11 is a draw fury was slightly up he got a point taken away.....

rnd...EVEN


Rnd 12


Wlad clearly won this rnd as all the rounds he won were clear...not so much for fury.



Those can say whatever they like I did slow mo /replay/and looked at all the significant punches that compu box cant or doesn't do.....looks like fury old boy actually may have lost this fight...but who cares about punches that actually don't land right? In any case this is a razor close fight,anyone who claims otherwise after this UNBIASED breakdown ....I actually had to ease up and not score some rounds since the fanboys would be crying foul

You haven't the slightest clue what you see when you watch boxing.

You didn't credit Fury with a single body shot despite Fury landing more shots to Wlads torso than all of his opponents of the last 10 years combined.

Body shots only count when Wlad lands a pitiful 3 or 4 over the 12 round distance. Fury's are completely ignored.

Tyson was doing things in there that only the trained eye can pick up on. His tactics and subtle body attack form the outside clearly went over your head you mickey mouse , kiddie meal boxing fan.

Oh and Fury was just 'slightly up' in the 11th?? That was Wlads worst round of the fight. He was lucky Weeks was on the pay roll , ready to save him and save him he did with a bogus point deduction - which wouldn't have happened had Wlad not turned and ran from the combat.

[Simurgh]

it is funny how Klitschko haters wasted it all about Fury-Wlad, that now they have a need to bring up Vitali-Lennox.. Lol!