Comments Thread For: All Access: Mayweather Wants To Go Down As Best Ever

[rasdun]

Let me preface this by saying I am a fan of boxing, PERIOD.So lets start off with a comparison that many on here have made. Sugar Ray Leonard is a ATG and Mayweather is not. OK. If your a Mayweather hater/Pac only fan please stop reading here because the following may cause you to commit suicide.(and you wont be missed).

Sugar Ray Leonard

Sugar Ray fought a bunch of nobodies until his first NABF title fight against Pete Ranzany (which is a name 99% of you don't know) After, Leonard fought a nobody again, then fought Wilfred Bennitez, Dave Boy Green then his first lost to Duran. Re matched Duran (the famous "no mas") he fought a nobody next then moved up. He defeated Kalule then Thomas Hearns, (and although he won by TKO in the 14th it was a hard fight). Next Leonard fought 2 more nobodies, then moved up 2 weight classes to defeat Marvin Haggler. Leonard moved up again to win a belt from another nobody name Donny Lelonde (more like a glorified champ). Then finally after what many to this day still consider 7 years of ducking Ray Leonard re matched Thomas Hearns, And after 9 years finally granted a rubber match to Duran.

Floyd Mayweather

Now check this out, Mayweather fought a bunch of nobodies until he went on a tear starting with his WBC Super Feather weight title fight against Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Carlos Rios, Justin Juko, Carlos Gerena (suspect record leading up to Mayweather), Gregerio Vargas. Then fought a nobody in Emmanuel Augustus. Then Mayweather went on another tear fighting Diego Coralles, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, moved up to fight Jose Louise Castillo, re matched Castillo, Victoriano Sosa, Phillip Ndou, moved up to fight Demarcus Corley and a average opponent named Henry Bruseles both were title eliminators. Mayweather then fought Arturo Ghatti, Shamba Mitchell. Mayweather moved up again to fight Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir (who was the champion at the time and had not lost in 7 years) The Baldomir fight was the last fight Mayweather would have under Top Rank. Then Mayweather finally got the fight he'd been trying to get but Arum would not allow because De La Hoya was no longer fighting under top rank since 2004. Mayweather goes on another tear, defeating De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Juan Manuel Marquez (who was not signed with top rank at the time) Shane Mosley (who Mayweather was chasing for years.) Victor Ortiz (which I wouldn't say was a cherry pick but was still a weak opponent), Miguel Cotto. Then Mayweather fights Guerrero after Coming out of jail. For now the list ends with Canelo Alverez (who EVERYONE said he wouldn't fight)

Lmao at anyone who says Mayweather cherry picks. Everyone on this list was a top contender considered among the best in their respective divisions at the time Mayweather fought them. Mayweather chased De La Hoya but that fight was blocked by Arum, Mayweather chased Cotto once again Arum and Cotto was too green, Mayweather chased Mosley, but Mosley ducked. Since Mayweather left Arum in 2006 he has not fought anyone under the Top Rank banner. Just like DLH, and just like when Cotto left Top Rank, Mayweather will fight Pac when he is no longer promoted by Top Rank.

So all you ingrates say Sugar Ray Leonard is a ATG because of 4 fights lmao. Mayweather has had a better career has fought more top fighters and is more skillful. Mayweather is more dominant now then Leonard was in his entire career. Its evident that most of you know little about boxing, know less about boxing history and just regurgitate the same chit you hear from others.

Lmfao! Lalonde wad a nobody but maywesthers "tear" included Corley. Leonards wins over Hearns Hagler and Duran are better than any of mayweathers wins. Leonard doesnt fight four years, and then comes back first fight back against hagler, middleweight champion moving up to weight classes. Mayweather doesn't fight for a year and a half, first fight back fighting champion who moves up to weight classes, and then doesnt even meet him at the contract weight class. all you need to know.
anyone who truly knows boxing, knows that Leonard fought the top guys.you're complaining that he didn't give her a rematch two years later, but he forced her. May weather has had 20 excuses not to fight Pacquiao. when was the last time Mayweather was even money or an underdog in a fight? Never, because he doesn't take the toughest fight he can. fight PAC, then Martinez...then GGG. That would bea GOAT RUN.

[DreamMerchant12]

Let me preface this by saying I am a fan of boxing, PERIOD.So lets start off with a comparison that many on here have made. Sugar Ray Leonard is a ATG and Mayweather is not. OK. If your a Mayweather hater/Pac only fan please stop reading here because the following may cause you to commit suicide.(and you wont be missed).

Sugar Ray Leonard

Sugar Ray fought a bunch of nobodies until his first NABF title fight against Pete Ranzany (which is a name 99% of you don't know) After, Leonard fought a nobody again, then fought Wilfred Bennitez, Dave Boy Green then his first lost to Duran. Re matched Duran (the famous "no mas") he fought a nobody next then moved up. He defeated Kalule then Thomas Hearns, (and although he won by TKO in the 14th it was a hard fight). Next Leonard fought 2 more nobodies, then moved up 2 weight classes to defeat Marvin Haggler. Leonard moved up again to win a belt from another nobody name Donny Lelonde (more like a glorified champ). Then finally after what many to this day still consider 7 years of ducking Ray Leonard re matched Thomas Hearns, And after 9 years finally granted a rubber match to Duran.

Floyd Mayweather

Now check this out, Mayweather fought a bunch of nobodies until he went on a tear starting with his WBC Super Feather weight title fight against Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Carlos Rios, Justin Juko, Carlos Gerena (suspect record leading up to Mayweather), Gregerio Vargas. Then fought a nobody in Emmanuel Augustus. Then Mayweather went on another tear fighting Diego Coralles, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, moved up to fight Jose Louise Castillo, re matched Castillo, Victoriano Sosa, Phillip Ndou, moved up to fight Demarcus Corley and a average opponent named Henry Bruseles both were title eliminators. Mayweather then fought Arturo Ghatti, Shamba Mitchell. Mayweather moved up again to fight Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir (who was the champion at the time and had not lost in 7 years) The Baldomir fight was the last fight Mayweather would have under Top Rank. Then Mayweather finally got the fight he'd been trying to get but Arum would not allow because De La Hoya was no longer fighting under top rank since 2004. Mayweather goes on another tear, defeating De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Juan Manuel Marquez (who was not signed with top rank at the time) Shane Mosley (who Mayweather was chasing for years.) Victor Ortiz (which I wouldn't say was a cherry pick but was still a weak opponent), Miguel Cotto. Then Mayweather fights Guerrero after Coming out of jail. For now the list ends with Canelo Alverez (who EVERYONE said he wouldn't fight)

Lmao at anyone who says Mayweather cherry picks. Everyone on this list was a top contender considered among the best in their respective divisions at the time Mayweather fought them. Mayweather chased De La Hoya but that fight was blocked by Arum, Mayweather chased Cotto once again Arum and Cotto was too green, Mayweather chased Mosley, but Mosley ducked. Since Mayweather left Arum in 2006 he has not fought anyone under the Top Rank banner. Just like DLH, and just like when Cotto left Top Rank, Mayweather will fight Pac when he is no longer promoted by Top Rank.

So all you ingrates say Sugar Ray Leonard is a ATG because of 4 fights lmao. Mayweather has had a better career has fought more top fighters and is more skillful. Mayweather is more dominant now then Leonard was in his entire career. Its evident that most of you know little about boxing, know less about boxing history and just regurgitate the same chit you hear from others.

One of the greatest posts of the 21st century.

[radioraheem]

Let me preface this by saying I am a fan of boxing, PERIOD.So lets start off with a comparison that many on here have made. Sugar Ray Leonard is a ATG and Mayweather is not. OK. If your a Mayweather hater/Pac only fan please stop reading here because the following may cause you to commit suicide.(and you wont be missed).

So all you ingrates say Sugar Ray Leonard is a ATG because of 4 fights lmao. Mayweather has had a better career has fought more top fighters and is more skillful. Mayweather is more dominant now then Leonard was in his entire career. Its evident that most of you know little about boxing, know less about boxing history and just regurgitate the same chit you hear from others.

You know what's comical. A lot of these guys say that the guys of the past used to fight the best! But in a recent interview, Tommy Hearns said that THEY DID NOT FIGHT THE BEST. That a lot of guys from his time were dodging fights more than fighters today!

[Porter's Dad]

This whole T.B.E. stuff is just another gimmicky soundbite cooked up by Floyd and his lackies. It's just another "Take the test", "Hard work and dedication" catchphrase they're trying to make take off. He probably cares more about TMT than TBE.

[Jsmooth9876]

He's definitely right. People on this very forum said Floyd wouldn't fight Guerrero. Wasn't as much as with Mosley and Canelo, but it was there.



When you say "retire", you mean when he took a year off from the sport? That's not a retirement. It turned into 18 months because he injured himself during training and the fight was postponed. Exactly how good were these people you say he ducked if they were no longer good after one year?

Does Floyd himself ever get old, or is he always in his prime while everyone else gets washed up?

He never fought Manny,Margarito,Williams or Cotto until way way later so I guess we'll never know..

[tank17211]

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Wants to be the best ever but wanted to fight Amir Khan a month ago and still wants to fight him in September. Best business man but not fighter.

[4Corners]

Best win?

Diego Corrales. Not a HOF.

2nd best win?

Jose Luis Castillo. Not a HOF.

3rd best win?

Hatton Not a HOF. not even. please just dont even start.

4th best win?

Canelo? best win was austin trout.

5th best win?

Genaro? Not a HOF.

6th best win?

Oscar? past prime fighting once a year was basically semi retired.

7th best win?

Mosley? one year and a half inactive going on 39 almost KO's floyd.

8th best win?

Cotto past prime went through the ringer vs margs and pac.

9th best win?

Marquez? career featherweight who had one fight above 130. got cheated on the scales to boot. disgusting.

10th best win?

Jesus Chavez? Not a HOF.

That's really thin for even a ATG let alone best ever.

So wait......Tszyu is a Hall of Fame fighter and Cotto will be.....but Castillo and Corrales aren't??? Seriously check the resumes.

Genaro Hernandez (#1 130)
Angel Manfredy (#2 130)
Diego Corrales (#1 130/#5 P4P)
Jesus Chavez (Top 5 130)
Carlos Hernandez (Top 10 130)
Jose Luis Castillo (#1 135)
DeMarcus Corley (Top 10 140)
Arturo Gatti (#2 140)
Zab Judah (Top 5 147)
Carlos Baldomir (RING WW CHAMP)
Oscar De La Hoya (Top 5 154)
Ricky Hatton (#8 P4P)
Juan Manuel Marquez (#2 P4P)
Shane Mosley (#1-2 147/#3 P4P)
Victor Ortiz (#2 147)
Miguel Cotto (#1 154)
Robert Guerrero (Top 5 147)
Canelo Alvarez (RING JMW CHAMP)
Marcos Maidana (Top 10 147)

Genaro, Corrales, Castillo, Canelo, Cotto, Mosley all could lay claim to being the best fighter at those weights at those times he fought them.

Floyd's beaten 14 fighters who were at the very least Top 5 at the weight he fought them, and 8-9 of them were one of the top 2 guys there at the time.

Corrales, Castillo, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Cotto are all fighters who could potentially wind up in the HOF one day. Not to mention Canelo could become great.

Say what you will about him, but he fights legit fights most of the time.

And as far as the Red K about Pacquiao......yeah he hasn't done much since 2009. He's beaten Clottey, who was a Top 5 WW, and Braldey, who was Top 5 P4P. Good wins for him, but that's not much in the last 4 1/2 years.

In that time span Floyd has beaten Mosley, Top 5 P4P and the #1-2 WW. Ortiz was the #2 WW. Cotto was the #1 JMW. Guerrero and Maidana would be top ranked WW, and Canelo was the #1 JMW.

[MurkaMan]

Do you change facial expressions when you're tugging on your two incher over Floyd related interviews/fights/threads, Karceno, ya fat coconut?

Im biased just because I speak honest about Floyd, opposed to saying whats popular? Sorry Im not going out of my way to discredit him just because you all want me to.

[ADP02]

So wait......Tszyu is a Hall of Fame fighter and Cotto will be.....but Castillo and Corrales aren't??? Seriously check the resumes.

Genaro Hernandez (#1 130)
Angel Manfredy (#2 130)
Diego Corrales (#1 130/#5 P4P)
Jesus Chavez (Top 5 130)
Carlos Hernandez (Top 10 130)
Jose Luis Castillo (#1 135)
DeMarcus Corley (Top 10 140)
Arturo Gatti (#2 140)
Zab Judah (Top 5 147)
Carlos Baldomir (RING WW CHAMP)
Oscar De La Hoya (Top 5 154)
Ricky Hatton (#8 P4P)
Juan Manuel Marquez (#2 P4P)
Shane Mosley (#1-2 147/#3 P4P)
Victor Ortiz (#2 147)
Miguel Cotto (#1 154)
Robert Guerrero (Top 5 147)
Canelo Alvarez (RING JMW CHAMP)
Marcos Maidana (Top 10 147)

Genaro, Corrales, Castillo, Canelo, Cotto, Mosley all could lay claim to being the best fighter at those weights at those times he fought them.

Floyd's beaten 14 fighters who were at the very least Top 5 at the weight he fought them, and 8-9 of them were one of the top 2 guys there at the time.

Corrales, Castillo, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Cotto are all fighters who could potentially wind up in the HOF one day. Not to mention Canelo could become great.

Say what you will about him, but he fights legit fights most of the time.

And as far as the Red K about Pacquiao......yeah he hasn't done much since 2009. He's beaten Clottey, who was a Top 5 WW, and Braldey, who was Top 5 P4P. Good wins for him, but that's not much in the last 4 1/2 years.

In that time span Floyd has beaten Mosley, Top 5 P4P and the #1-2 WW. Ortiz was the #2 WW. Cotto was the #1 JMW. Guerrero and Maidana would be top ranked WW, and Canelo was the #1 JMW.

Those are just numbers but with no analysis on the opponent.
You said that Marquez was #2 P4P ...... REALLY?
What if Floyd, who is #1 P4P, and he said is TBE, moves up to face Andre Ward. How much credit can we give Ward for winning on UD?
ANSWER: "It was expected win" type of credit.


Show me how many fights that Floyd took that were risky and that he was the underdog? You will see that that list will shrink DRAMATICALLY! You are not showing us the truth instead what you are doing is trying to hide the truth with those misleading numbers (AKA Marquez #2 P4P example)

[MurkaMan]

He was "hissed"(?) twice in one round by a 38-year-old Mosley.

Name a fighter in history that can fight that version of Shane, stand right in front of him and get hissed twice, and then dominate?

Their is no fighter as good as Floyd. He's the best and until you can name at least ONE fighter that is better than him, that can fight HALF of his resume and do it the way he did, then I just have to give props. Im not going out of my way to hate on him or talk around his gifts. He is a LEGENDARY talent.