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    I guess it makes sense that Floyd had clowns enter the ring before him because he's the kind of the clowns. Really he's a joke of a p4p champion and certainly cannot be ranked in the top 5 of all time. He's had nowhere near the amount of fights as a true legendary boxing champion such as Chavez Sr., Sugar Ray Robinson, Archie Moore, Joe Louis, etc. and has had the opportunity to cherry pick all his opponents and arguably have an influence on the judging and refereeing thanks to his financial and political boxing power. None of the previously mentioned boxer had this luxury and fought whoever was put in front of them for many more fights than Floyd did. All the Money Men should stop talking about Floyd as the best ever as it only displays your ignorance of the history of boxing. Just because he's p4p today doesn't automatically make him the best ever. Do some research about the true champions in boxing's past and stop talking BS.

    Oh and by the way, I had the fight 7-5 for Maidana. I don't know how you could give Floyd more than 1 round of the first 6. Floyd definitely won the second half of the fight but I gave 2 rounds to Maidana. Floyd clearly won 7 & 8 and 10 and 11 I thought. I gave him the 6th and the 12th as well.
    Another note about the fight: Tony Weeks allowed Floyd to hold for the entire fight when Maidana was trying to work. He also pushed down Maidana's head and used his elbows and shoulders a lot. Maidana responded by pushing Floyd's head down and some low blows. This was really Maidana's only option to even the playing field given Weeks had no intention of penalizing Floyd for his inside tactics. Realistically, however, the low blows were either borderline or light because Floyd never reacted physically as if he really hit him low unless Floyd has a small package. He complained but didn't really appear to have been hit low. That's just my view on it anyways. It was no surprise Floyd scored the decision easily on two cards. The judges were likely on his side and with Floyd's money and influence could easily be swayed in a corrupt business such as pro boxing.

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      Anyone who thinks Maidana won doesn't know boxing. No need for a rematch. Would be another 12 round snoozer.

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        You're part right. Boxing is about skill. It's also about being able to dominate your opponent with perfectly timed and angled shots, effectively utilizing a significant amount of punching power. Floyd obviously has the skill but he doesn't have world class power. He has never shown it. Boxing is about skill but it's also about power. If you don't think that power and brute strength are a part of boxing, you sir are mistaken. If you don't agree with me than I guess you weren't a big Mike Tyson fan...or George Foreman fan....or Chavez Sr fan....or Joe Louis fan.....or Rocky Marciano fan....or etc etc etc etc
        Those boxers had something than Floyd will never have, world class power. He is not the best ever, enough is enough. Even Ali, who was mostly skill had real power and knocked out some world class opponents. That makes him one of the best ever.

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          Originally posted by Leap View Post
          Anyone who thinks Maidana won doesn't know boxing. No need for a rematch. Would be another 12 round snoozer.
          Snoozer? It was one of the few Floyd fights that actually had some action.
          You must be a big fan of watching darts.
          Maidana had no chance to win the decision because of corrupt judges. That's obvious to the large majority of general boxing fans, not Floyd Mayweather fans and Justin Bieber fans. I'm talking about actual boxing fans who known more of boxing history than just Floyd's.
          When an international boxing is fighting the US champion in a title fight in the US and all the judges are from the US and the fighter is a vain and classless money hoarder like Floyd Mayweather, chances are you're not going to win a decision.
          If you can't see that, you don't understand the politics of a corrupt business that is now controlled by the boxer with the biggest bank account. There is no standard for judging at that level. The fact that Floyd was able to make Maidana use different gloves even though he has always fought with them against other opponents and they are the regulation size and weight just proves that Money is the underlining factor.

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            This thread still popping?

            In my scoring I have Mayweather 9-3.

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              When do you guys think Mayweather will announce his September fight? Will he even fight in September?

              Last year the Canelo fight was announced late May/early June. I don't think there will be an announcement that early this time.

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                Originally posted by ATG_Vespasian View Post
                Impressive wording. Good use of grammar and a varied vocabulary. So it is with great sadness that I have to admit that's about all there is to this comment.

                Why? because boxing is a sweet science. It's hit and not get hit. Not bum rush your opponent while swinging your arms around like clubs. This isn't the Flintstones.

                Boxing is all about hitting and not being hit, nobody does hit and not get hit better than Floyd Mayweather Jr. whether you want to accept it or not. And therefore there isn't a better boxer on the planet than Floyd. Like it or not.

                Boxing isn't about two men trading punches lol we have bar fights and brawls for those...The likes of Floyd Mayweather, Guillermo Rigo, Erislandy Lara, Andre Ward bring out the skill in boxing. And showcase what the sport was all about from the very beginning. Boxing has always been about a showcase of skill. This martial art was founded on who can fight with skill and defend themselves with skill.

                If you want to see a rough and rugged affair, watch MMA.
                You play right into my point. You act like the only way to succeed in a boxing match or to be considered a good fighter is to fight like Lara, ward, Rigo, and Mayweather. Its the Floyd paradigm I speak of. And you are right there in it.

                A guy like Rigo is very talented, I agree. But if he becomes too enamored with his talent, and sleeps on a guy with will and power. He can get ko'ed just like that. Then all his skills will have been for naught.

                Boxing has always been a healthy balance of skill vs will. Finesse vs power. Volume vs precision. And so on. The skilled guy can get outwilled. The guy with will can get outskilled. Its to be taken on a case by case basis whether its one or the other on any given night with any given two fighters.

                its not enough to say the hit and not get hit type of fighter are the best. That IS one way to win a FIGHT, but not the only way. Another way is to have a sturdy chin and fists of iron.. to wade through your opponent's pretty tricks and and wage upon them brutal war not letting up an inch. To say any other style besides floyd's isnt "boxing" speaks of your overall shallow depth of knowledge of the history of the sport. And reinforces my point of a bunch of people being blinded by the paradigm shift Floyd has introduced into boxing.

                I watched a couple of your videos and there are two problems:

                1. We are supposed to accept the video maker's ability to judge a clean punch, and also accept the video maker is objective. Viewing and analyzing a fight is a very subjective art and a video like that is very similar to the end of round highlights by Shotime. I feel no assurance.. whatsoever, that the video maker is sincere in his objectivity, because in the few minutes I peeped he was counting blocked punches for floyd. Any grazing punch by Floyd is counted, but nearly all of Maidana's body of work is discounted. Including punches on the ropes I KNOW landed high on the head of Floyd during those rounds. In other words... those videos are spin jobs, an attempt of a Floyd fan to make a **** sandwich look like egg salad.

                2. We are assuming 1 Floyd punch is equal to one Maidana punch. That is amateur ****. Pro Boxing aint just about points its about inflicting hurt on your opponent. For that same reason, Canelo defeated Trout, and Broner defeated Malignaggi. Even though both were outlanded, they were perceived to have thrown the more damaging punches. I have been playing along with the Floyd fan's numbers game because I truly believe Maidana landed more than advertised, however, it would be easy to argue that every two landed punches by Floyd = 1 landed punch by marcos.. because of the power differential between the two. In such a case, the advertised 221 punches landed by marcos are worth 442 Floyd punches.. and so on. I have NO idea why a Floyd punch is being considered = to a Maidana punch.


                all this cerebral points **** aside. I KNOW Floyd was busted up and took through Hell in that fight. Marcos not so much. This speaks of the overall power differential of the punches. Yet 1 Floyd punch = 1 Chino ****ing Maidana punch...


                oooookayyyy

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                  Originally posted by Syf View Post
                  You play right into my point. You act like the only way to succeed in a boxing match or to be considered a good fighter is to fight like Lara, ward, Rigo, and Mayweather. Its the Floyd paradigm I speak of. And you are right there in it.

                  A guy like Rigo is very talented, I agree. But if he becomes too enamored with his talent, and sleeps on a guy with will and power. He can get ko'ed just like that. Then all his skills will have been for naught.

                  Boxing has always been a healthy balance of skill vs will. Finesse vs power. Volume vs precision. And so on. The skilled guy can get outwilled. The guy with will can get outskilled. Its to be taken on a case by case basis whether its one or the other on any given night with any given two fighters.

                  its not enough to say the hit and not get hit type of fighter are the best. That IS one way to win a FIGHT, but not the only way. Another way is to have a sturdy chin and fists of iron.. to wade through your opponent's pretty tricks and and wage upon them brutal war not letting up an inch. To say any other style besides floyd's isnt "boxing" speaks of your overall shallow depth of knowledge of the history of the sport. And reinforces my point of a bunch of people being blinded by the paradigm shift Floyd has introduced into boxing.

                  I watched a couple of your videos and there are two problems:

                  1. We are supposed to accept the video maker's ability to judge a clean punch, and also accept the video maker is objective. Viewing and analyzing a fight is a very subjective art and a video like that is very similar to the end of round highlights by Shotime. I feel no assurance.. whatsoever, that the video maker is sincere in his objectivity, because in the few minutes I peeped he was counting blocked punches for floyd. Any grazing punch by Floyd is counted, but nearly all of Maidana's body of work is discounted. Including punches on the ropes I KNOW landed high on the head of Floyd during those rounds. In other words... those videos are spin jobs, an attempt of a Floyd fan to make a **** sandwich look like egg salad.

                  2. We are assuming 1 Floyd punch is equal to one Maidana punch. That is amateur ****. Pro Boxing aint just about points its about inflicting hurt on your opponent. For that same reason, Canelo defeated Trout, and Broner defeated Malignaggi. Even though both were outlanded, they were perceived to have thrown the more damaging punches. I have been playing along with the Floyd fan's numbers game because I truly believe Maidana landed more than advertised, however, it would be easy to argue that every two landed punches by Floyd = 1 landed punch by marcos.. because of the power differential between the two. In such a case, the advertised 221 punches landed by marcos are worth 442 Floyd punches.. and so on. I have NO idea why a Floyd punch is being considered = to a Maidana punch.


                  all this cerebral points **** aside. I KNOW Floyd was busted up and took through Hell in that fight. Marcos not so much. This speaks of the overall power differential of the punches. Yet 1 Floyd punch = 1 Chino ****ing Maidana punch...


                  oooookayyyy
                  Very good post

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                    Originally posted by Syf View Post
                    You play right into my point. You act like the only way to succeed in a boxing match or to be considered a good fighter is to fight like Lara, ward, Rigo, and Mayweather. Its the Floyd paradigm I speak of. And you are right there in it.

                    A guy like Rigo is very talented, I agree. But if he becomes too enamored with his talent, and sleeps on a guy with will and power. He can get ko'ed just like that. Then all his skills will have been for naught.

                    Boxing has always been a healthy balance of skill vs will. Finesse vs power. Volume vs precision. And so on. The skilled guy can get outwilled. The guy with will can get outskilled. Its to be taken on a case by case basis whether its one or the other on any given night with any given two fighters.

                    its not enough to say the hit and not get hit type of fighter are the best. That IS one way to win a FIGHT, but not the only way. Another way is to have a sturdy chin and fists of iron.. to wade through your opponent's pretty tricks and and wage upon them brutal war not letting up an inch. To say any other style besides floyd's isnt "boxing" speaks of your overall shallow depth of knowledge of the history of the sport. And reinforces my point of a bunch of people being blinded by the paradigm shift Floyd has introduced into boxing.

                    I watched a couple of your videos and there are two problems:

                    1. We are supposed to accept the video maker's ability to judge a clean punch, and also accept the video maker is objective. Viewing and analyzing a fight is a very subjective art and a video like that is very similar to the end of round highlights by Shotime. I feel no assurance.. whatsoever, that the video maker is sincere in his objectivity, because in the few minutes I peeped he was counting blocked punches for floyd. Any grazing punch by Floyd is counted, but nearly all of Maidana's body of work is discounted. Including punches on the ropes I KNOW landed high on the head of Floyd during those rounds. In other words... those videos are spin jobs, an attempt of a Floyd fan to make a **** sandwich look like egg salad.

                    2. We are assuming 1 Floyd punch is equal to one Maidana punch. That is amateur ****. Pro Boxing aint just about points its about inflicting hurt on your opponent. For that same reason, Canelo defeated Trout, and Broner defeated Malignaggi. Even though both were outlanded, they were perceived to have thrown the more damaging punches. I have been playing along with the Floyd fan's numbers game because I truly believe Maidana landed more than advertised, however, it would be easy to argue that every two landed punches by Floyd = 1 landed punch by marcos.. because of the power differential between the two. In such a case, the advertised 221 punches landed by marcos are worth 442 Floyd punches.. and so on. I have NO idea why a Floyd punch is being considered = to a Maidana punch.


                    all this cerebral points **** aside. I KNOW Floyd was busted up and took through Hell in that fight. Marcos not so much. This speaks of the overall power differential of the punches. Yet 1 Floyd punch = 1 Chino ****ing Maidana punch...


                    oooookayyyy
                    Good post. I also noticed that many boxing fans tend to romanticize boxing. I can admire boxing skills when on full display but fans should not forget that boxing is also about violence and hurting your opponent. "The Sweet Science" is a fancy name for a sport where your main aim is to go about punching your opponent's head in (whether you do it in a 'skillful' way or through 'clumsy' brute force).

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                      Originally posted by Booty Dew View Post
                      maidana landed more power punches yet the same tards will say pac-jmm 3 was a robbery.
                      No, that was voted robbery of the year for good reason.

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