Before you call any boxer a quitter........

[jas]

Quit- To give up.

by definition, victor has quit before and quit again last night. he gave up. didn't even try to get up.

why is the OP mad? i didn't make the word QUIT . just like the word BUMS. i didn't make that phrase up. but there are fighters which will be referred to as bums.

[Gonzalez_Boxing]

you are clueless and ignorant as to what you are saying. Your guy talking in the video is just as ignorant about it as you are.

you two don't know ****, just bull**** opinions thrown from the comfort of your recliner. You haven't even a single clue as to what Ortiz may have been dealing with. ****in' ignorant fools, all with keyboards, the internet and way too many uneducated (or ignorant) opinions................ Rockin'

Get off your high horse, Rockin'. People quit in sports, jobs, life, etc. Let's not pretend boxers don't quit in the ring. It's not the first and won't be the last time.

You have about as much as a clue as to what was going on in Ortiz's head as anyone else on this board, no clue. Sure you can take an educated guess, but it doesn't make it right. You're basing your opinion on past experience, they are basing their opinion on Ortiz's track record.

[Doctor_Tenma]

In my opinion he quit. I come to that conclusion because after eating that hook he was fully conscious enough to try and avoid the 2 punches following the hook that hurt him and in less than a minute after being counted out he walked over to collazo and was all smiles while congratulating him. He didn't even attempt to rise while on his knee. Add to that the fact that he's quit before and it's hard to think otherwise.

Thank you

That's all I've been trying to say but apparently that's speculation

I mean it's basic common sense!

[southpaw_07]

some boxers have the heart to continue and some dont.
see below Arthur Abraham, broken jaw and didnt think of quitting for a sec

[RlCKY]

When you sign up for sport, especially boxing, you sign up for everything that comes with it.

Praise and criticism, wins and losses, triumph and controversy, etc.

There are expectations that are formed for the people who perform as paid entertainers. That's what a boxer ultimately is. You're on my TV, I'm at your fight, I'm paying you.

When you go to a movie can you form an opinion of it after you watch it? If you see a stand up comedian, can you criticize him if he didn't meet your expectations?

Fighters live and die by their performances. When you have a track record for certain behavior and you exhibit behavior that resembles it, people will put you to task for it.

Victor Ortiz in his own words once said that he didn't "deserve to get hit like this." The kid is not exactly known for his way with words, so who knows WTF he was trying to say, but he painted a picture of himself from that moment. It defined him, whether anyone likes it or not, that is the Victor Ortiz that we know.

Nobody can surely say how the punch affected him, what was going through his head or anything else. But one thing is for sure, it certainly seemed to be a case of Victor Ortiz being Victor Ortiz.

Many fighters have fought through adversity. Does that mean they are better or have more heart than Ortiz? Who knows.

You can argue what he should have done, thought, or tried at that moment. You can have your opinion, but ultimately you know what you're going to get with him. He told you in his own words, that's all the confirmation I think anyone needs.

I don't think you need to have any experience to be able to say that, when in the big time, when you're on TV...if you don't have that intangible quality that is desired and, again, EXPECTED of your consumers, get your ****in ass off of my TV and go back to fighting undercards or in a club somewhere.

This is the top level and you can't keep squandering these opportunities and shrug it off with the "Eh, **** happens," " I got caught" "I'll get him next time" is not the mentality that you want to have as a fighter.

Everybody is expected to perform at a certain level at their jobs. It doesn't matter if you are a pro-athlete or not. You better know what is required of you, and if you don't give that, then you should be ready for the backlash.

Championship level boxers are no different.

[FerFAL]

STFU tell that to Dan Rafael

Dan Rafael is a guy that writes about boxing like any other sport journalists. He's not supposed to be a good boxer, he's just supposed to comment and write insightful articles and that he does very well.
Fraud Gayweather can box, but he cant put two words together "you know, money team, you know, Africa never did sht for mey, you know, money team". Dumass.
One guy is a boxer, the other is a journalist. Apples and oranges and one isnt better than the other.

[[T][B][E]]

I find it hilarious that these threads always come out after an Ortiz fight

Still waiting for some sad btard to start the Official V.Ortiz meme thread lol

[Jloro]

Dan Rafael is a guy that writes about boxing like any other sport journalists. He's not supposed to be a good boxer, he's just supposed to comment and write insightful articles and that he does very well.
Fraud Gayweather can box, but he cant put two words together "you know, money team, you know, Africa never did sht for mey, you know, money team". Dumass.
One guy is a boxer, the other is a journalist. Apples and oranges and one isnt better than the other.

So Dan Rafael is on Par with Floyd Mayweather? Thats a new one lol

[Bigg Rigg]

Please lace up the gloves and step in the ring and get a few bouts under your belt.


This site is filled nerdy ass cyberspace geeks who work a 9 to 5 and get on here on their spare time to criticize boxers who actually have the balls to step in the ring.

Oh god, I hated it when ppl go this route. If a guy quits, people are gonna say so and talk **** about him. Nobody ever says this when fans praise a boxer. No ring experience but it's ok to say this guy is the best. But if u say he sucks or is a quiter, u have to have gotten in the ring before in order to say so.

[IST-ra-GLEr2]

Ortiz quit. He is a chronic quitter as much as Floyd is a chronic ducker.