Why doesn't Floyd do business with Bob Arum

[richardt]

Man you're a stubborn ****er. His attitude doesn't matter because the companies will not work together anytime soon. Why is that so hard to understand?

His attitude DOES matter because if Arum and Schafer resolved their differences, Floyd would NOT work with Arum.....this has to do with FLOYD's attitude which is INDEPENDENT of the promotional situations around him!!

[mathed]

Floyd is just using Arum as an excuse. He wants Pac to sign a long-term contract with him, wear 16 oz gloves, fight in a 32 foot ring, have Roger and Floyd Senior as judges, Haymon as the ref, get a 90-10 split and all the PPV sales, Pac can't weigh more than 148 on fight night, has to take 2 blood tests every day and immediately before and after the fight, Pac can't have water between rounds, Roach can't enter the ring at any time and must work the corner from the press row, and Pac can't use the straight left.

Yeah, I think the fight is pretty easy to make, all Arum has to do is step aside.

[Slip Stream]

The thing about Arum is that he's doing exactly what he learned over the course of his long life and its how he's learned to do business. He isn't a counselor or a social worker, his obligations are to his bottom line, profit. So as a result its clear he doesn't care about his fighters on a basic human level. He's shown time and again he will not bargain in good faith if it doesn't absolutely benefit him, totally logical from a businessman's perspective. I'm not hating on Arum, on the contrary his business model makes money, its a proven fact.

I think Arum's or Schaefer's involvement in promotion confuses fans because we just want good fights and don't much care for the reasons why they don't happen. The complexity and unfairness of the business gets lost in this.

[tailchaser001]

The bold printed statement was one of the dumbest things I have ever read. This is prize fighting.

One of the dumbest things you've read because you have no concept of what a true champion is or what it takes to be one. Let me take you back young buck. To the era of true boxing. Where legacies were made and boxers fought for the pride and the sport. Real champs like Super ray, Hagler, Duran, the hit man Herns. You tube it and you'll learn what boxing truly is.They took the risk and gave the people what they wanted. What do we have now? A so called champion fighting for himself and picking b and c class fighters? Promotional camps in disagreement? Fans yearning for a mega fight? It's a frigging joke.

This day and age of boxing is not prize fighting. That's where you are missing guided and confused. It's become a business more than anything. It's turned into that and fmj is at helm.

Definition of a champion=a person who has defeated or surpassed all rivals in a sport.


Feel free to be educated anytime. Lol.

[MayMosPeaHop]

One of the dumbest things you've read because you have no concept of what a true champion is or what it takes to be one. Let me take you back young buck. To the era of true boxing. Where legacies were made and boxers fought for the pride and the sport. Real champs like Super ray, Hagler, Duran, the hit man Herns. You tube it and you'll learn what boxing truly is.They took the risk and gave the people what they wanted. What do we have now? A so called champion fighting for himself and picking b and c class fighters? Promotional camps in disagreement? Fans yearning for a mega fight? It's a frigging joke.

This day and age of boxing is not prize fighting. That's where you are missing guided and confused. It's become a business more than anything. It's turned into that and fmj is at helm.

Definition of a champion=a person who has defeated or surpassed all rivals in a sport.


Feel free to be educated anytime. Lol.

The bold print again. Grow up - LOL, Hilarious

[al-Xander]

I thought it's always been about testing issues.
For 4 years. Now it's Arum. Why tf didn't he say so?
And his floydiots are once again all over the place
justifying the new excuse. Worst fanbase in history.

[SamuraiSam]

I bet this reply also gets BRONER'ed

floyd said that when he was with top rank Bob Arum held millions of dollars that was due to him. That's why when his contract was over he left and swore to NEVER do business with him...EVER. I don't understand what's so hard to understand. If I owed you money, would you allow me to make history off you?? You guys can't be that slow. Everyone said floyd ducked cotto but the moment cotto left top rank floyd fought him....

PrinceCharlez, you say you "don't understand what's so hard to understand"...and it's funny to us, who do understand, observing how you don't understand and see the truth through the BS. I think it's apparent that you're just willing to "understand" what "Floyd said"... accepting it as gospel truth, blindly accepting his smoke screen without any critical thinking.

Okay, you present two issues to discuss and raise questions:

1. If Bob Arum owes Floyd money, why isn't there any ongoing litigation/court case to recover that money? I see people going to court suing to recover so much less, how much more for Floyd's "millions of dollars that was due to him"? You go on to say that, "when his contract was over he left..." I thought Floyd bought out the remainder of his contract with Bob for $750,000 in 2006. If Bob owes Floyd "millions of dollars," why would Floyd throw an additional $750,000 into his pockets?

2. You say Floyd "swore to NEVER do business with him...EVER." As Stephen Espinoza relayed to the boxing public recently, that IS the current excuse/roadblock. Yeah, we NOW have a "promotional issue" that's preventing Floyd from meeting Manny "anytime, anywhere." And yet, back in 2009/2010, there were "official and serious" negotiations going on...even though you-know-WHO was Manny's promoter. Funny how that fact is conveniently forgotten or ignored. Why was there no "promotional issue" blocking the earlier negotiations, but now it is an issue? Do you notice the pattern here?

In conclusion, you're absolutely correct...we "can't be that slow"...as slow as YOU and everyone else who blindly buys into everything that "Floyd said" as gospel truth, conveniently ignoring facts and twisting reality to justify your delusional rants.

Don't worry, PrinceCharlez, I'll understand if you're too embarrassed to answer the questions posed here. I'm getting used to it. Everyone else on your level whom I've questioned has pulled the BRONER on me, making the quick vanishing act in exiting the ring to jump back onto the short yellow bus back to Floydiot Town. So it's okay, you're not alone, bro...you're in good company, bless your little heart.

Peace.

[SamuraiSam]

Business with Bob Arum equals=

Short change,
Linen on all property's,
Bank Accounts Frozen,
Debt to multiple governments.

Who would do business with Bob Arum?

For a fact Floyd will not see 100m working with that Con Artist.

Bed linens, bath linens or kitchen linens? I suppose most properties need all three types to enable one to live comfortably. LOL

[SamuraiSam]

That's the odd thing. We never get a satisfactory answer for this. Even Espinoza comes out and says the fight can't happen while Pac is with Arum.

OK. Why?

Because Floyd doesn't like Arum?

I mean, is that a good enough reason? Really?

If this was anyone but Floyd, it'd be a completely unacceptable answer. Imagine if Pac didn't want to fight Floyd because for example, let's say Floyd was with Murad Muhammed.

However, because it's Floyd, somehow it's OK that he doesn't want to fight a guy because of who the other guy's promoter is.

Can anyone think of another example of this?

I mean, really....it comes down to this. Floyd doesn't want Pac or Arum making a dime off him. Remember what 50 Cent (yeah, I know, I'm quoting 50) - that Floyd is obsessed with not just how much money HE makes, but how much money OTHERS make.

I don't think he's scared of Pac but I think the idea Pac and Arum making a killing in a fight of his burns him up. Of course, he lacks the emotional maturity to understand that Pac is a fundamental part of the money that would generate.

But he just doesn't want to give Pac/Arum a payday.

And I think that's what it comes down to.

And that's not acceptable to me. But hey, I'm not one of his millions of enablers.

Well said.

It's kind of sad how an obsession with money/business overrides the idealism of a true prize-fighting legacy. But like the boy says, "Legacy don't pay bills."

[SamuraiSam]

You waste a lot of time thinking. There's only two answers you need to be concerned with -- yes or no. Floyd's answer today is NO. Anything to explain that is just blah blah because the only answer that matters is NO.

I'll have to disagree with you this time on this. Millions of boxing fans are "thinking" about this, asking "Why?" Whenever the answer is a flat outright "NO," it's human nature to ask why that's the answer. Lingering questions remain unresolved. We've all seen the universality of children asking Why? Why? Why? It's human nature to search for TRUTH.

I've come to form the opinion that those who don't want to hear any explanation or resolution of the questions are those who are afraid to face the embarrassing truth, preferring to stay in denial. Ignorance would be bliss. There's a contingent of those who feel that Floyd is "making the brothers look bad," so they'd prefer to squash anymore talk and explanation of the subject, not wanting to hear anything else that could prove embarrassing. I understand now why you said you'd prefer Floyd would just retire. It makes sense if staying out of the limelight and not doing anymore talking would spare the brothers further embarrassment. Sometimes the truth hurts. You have my sympathies.

'Nuff said.