Beef with Top Rank and Arum

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I have a simple question that i could never get answered....

Why is there so much beef and animosity towards bob arum and top rank...

I have heard all the stories about don king ripping off fighters but have never heard any fighter complain, or sue top rank and bob arum...

They have handled foreman's comeback, superfights of the 80's, de la hoya's career, floyd's career, chavez sr and chavez jr, pavlik, manny, rios, morales, cotto etc,, nobody has ever sued them or claimed they were crooks,,,

Then why does floyd have a huge problem doing business with top rank....

I never understood this,,, I understand that promoters can be shady, but never have i heard any fighter complain about top rank but floyd... and yes a fighter can make more if they promoted themselves but thats totally different than saying a promotion is corrupt and you wont work with them..

Whats the deal... does anybody know

[KickAzz]

its an excuse so that cherrypicker doesn't have to fight pac

[Sugar Adam Ali]

its an excuse so that cherrypicker doesn't have to fight pac

yeah thats what i thought,, not only manny but over the years cotto, and margs

[craigus1990]

Mayweather claims that Arum shortchanged him on matches against Arturo Gatti in 2005 and Zab Judah in 2006. In the lawsuit, Mayweather said he was due 85% of Top Rank's revenue from the Gatti fight and 80% from the Judah fight. He claims Arum has refused to turn over the records for accounting. Mayweather has asked for the statutory minimum of $10,000 on each of the five counts, but would be in line for millions in punitive damages on a breach of contract claim.
This could get ugly before it's over, making it the heavyweight slugfest of the year.
In a strange twist, Arum admits that he owes Mayweather money and said he has told Mayweather's reps why he isn't giving it to him.
"There's no question we owe him some money," Arum said. "There's no dispute there. But he owes us a lot of money, and the people he's involved with owe us even more. After 98% of the money we owed him was paid, we stopped paying him for a reason.
"We're owed ... in the millions. We welcome this lawsuit. We wanted it to be filed. We have counterclaims and cross claims against certain other individuals involved with Mayweather. This is just the opening salvo in a major battle."

That is why Floyd and Arum do not do business together.

Other people do not like him because he has been caught bribing and admitted to bribing on more than one occasion. That should be an offence worthy of a lifetime ban right there.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Mayweather claims that Arum shortchanged him on matches against Arturo Gatti in 2005 and Zab Judah in 2006. In the lawsuit, Mayweather said he was due 85% of Top Rank's revenue from the Gatti fight and 80% from the Judah fight. He claims Arum has refused to turn over the records for accounting. Mayweather has asked for the statutory minimum of $10,000 on each of the five counts, but would be in line for millions in punitive damages on a breach of contract claim.
This could get ugly before it's over, making it the heavyweight slugfest of the year.
In a strange twist, Arum admits that he owes Mayweather money and said he has told Mayweather's reps why he isn't giving it to him.
"There's no question we owe him some money," Arum said. "There's no dispute there. But he owes us a lot of money, and the people he's involved with owe us even more. After 98% of the money we owed him was paid, we stopped paying him for a reason.
"We're owed ... in the millions. We welcome this lawsuit. We wanted it to be filed. We have counterclaims and cross claims against certain other individuals involved with Mayweather. This is just the opening salvo in a major battle."

That is why Floyd and Arum do not do business together.

Other people do not like him because he has been caught bribing and admitted to bribing on more than one occasion. That should be an offence worthy of a lifetime ban right there.

Great post and info... I have never heard of any of this.... Can you provide links to the quotes.... I can believe floyd got short-changed but can also believe that floyd and his crew owed money, probably from cash advances...

[al-Xander]

Margs scared the **** out of him.

[champion4ever]

I have a simple question that i could never get answered....

Why is there so much beef and animosity towards bob arum and top rank...

I have heard all the stories about don king ripping off fighters but have never heard any fighter complain, or sue top rank and bob arum...

They have handled foreman's comeback, superfights of the 80's, de la hoya's career, floyd's career, chavez sr and chavez jr, pavlik, manny, rios, morales, cotto etc,, nobody has ever sued them or claimed they were crooks,,,

Then why does floyd have a huge problem doing business with top rank....

I never understood this,,, I understand that promoters can be shady, but never have i heard any fighter complain about top rank but floyd... and yes a fighter can make more if they promoted themselves but thats totally different than saying a promotion is corrupt and you wont work with them..

Whats the deal... does anybody know

If my memory serves me correctly, Oscar De La Hoya also successfully sued Bob Arum to break his non-legal binding contract with Top Rank. That was how he founded Golden Boy Promotions.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

If my memory serves me correctly, Oscar De La Hoya also successfully sued Bob Arum to break his non-legal binding contract with Top Rank. That was how he founded Golden Boy Promotions.

yes but i dont remember oscar ever saying that he got screwed out of money for a fight by top rank,,,, he may have sued to get his own promotion company but never sued cause he got screwed out of a purse........

[megadeth]

yeah thats what i thought,, not only manny but over the years cotto, and margs

Great post and info... I have never heard of any of this.... Can you provide links to the quotes.... I can believe floyd got short-changed but can also believe that floyd and his crew owed money, probably from cash advances...

So why were u so willing to believe it had something to do w/ Manny, Cotto or Margarito if you don' even know the story?

Why also do you spew that nonsense about Cotto and Margarito when Arum declined a deal for both to fight Floyd?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

So why were u so willing to believe it had something to do w/ Manny, Cotto or Margarito if you don' even know the story?

Why also do you spew that nonsense about Cotto and Margarito when Arum declined a deal for both to fight Floyd?

you are right and wrong

Arum tried like hell to make the margs fight in 2006 but floyd opted to fight judah coming off a loss and baldomir......

Cotto was probably protected by arum in 2005-07 but in 2008 would have been a huge fight with floyd but floyd "retired" and margs beat the hell out of cotto...