Educate me on the Klitchko Brothers. What Hall of Famers have they beat?

[Ravens Fan]

cheers for the reply dude.


then again who did beat prime Tyson with a jab over a whole fight? no one. seems you have no argument there. Tucker did however keep Tyson at bay for the whole fight with his jab, whilst nursing damage to one hand.


how did he win the IBF world crown without fighting top ten fighters?


actually we arent discussing resume, we are discussing H2H. But suddenly when you are losing the argument you want to change your argument, and you have the gall to tell me I am losing credibility. nice one.



and didn't gass when Corrie Sanders koed him fast. But Corrie gassed when Vitali stopped him, so I suppose that a Corrie win to you?


Now I never said they would beat the Klits easy, but they would have a fair chance. Don't rewrite the post to save your loss, I think I've already told you.



Tyson was in jail in part of the 90s. How did he clean up then? Did he have a secret way out of prison like Gerard Butler in Law Abiding Citizen.

thanks for your input anyway, matey, I like a debate.

Let me start by saying that it is obvious from reading your other post that you always want to be right and win an argument. So I will begin by saying that I concede defeat and you can have all the bragging rights. Now onto what we were discussing.

Blubber Douglas out jabbed Tyson and kicked his a$$. I guess you missed it.

I also never said Tucker did not fight top ten fighters. What I said was he was inconsistent against top ten fighters. And just to make it clear I am not talking about fighters that may have been ranked by the IBF. I am talking about Ring ****zine ranked fighters, or true top ten.

In fairness to Blubber Douglas he was ranked by the Ring. However, he was heartless and quit when he fought Tucker. Then Tony could not, like most of the other average heavyweights of the day, defend the title even one time. And after he lost to Tyson Tucker fought some lousy opponents and lost to any decent heavyweight he fought. But I forgot you are not basing anything on resumes so I guess that doesn't matter.

The reason I even said anything about Holmes resume was because, and I am paraphrasing, you stated that the Klit bros have fought bums and then stated that Holmes could have easily beaten both bros. I have top ask what was that opinion based on?

I was just pointing out that Holmes fought his share of pretty bad opponents and whether you want to debate that or not doesn't change that fact that is in fact true. That leads me into the resume statement.

How can you judge a fighter going head to head if you don't look at their resume? If that is the case then I say that Blubber Douglas was the best and could have beaten them all, and why? Because I really do believe that he had great skills but had no heart and was ultra lazy. But again if you feel as if I have lost the debate more power to you and I will still sleep well tonight.

As far as Sanders and Wlad is concerned there is no doubt that it was a legit stoppage. But the fact is that Sanders did in fact have heavy hands he still had to knock Wlad down four times to stop him. To me that is not proof that Wlad has a glass chin.

If Wlad was stopped by the likes of Chris Byrd and Eddie Chambers now that would be solid proof that Wlad has weak whiskers. But that is not what has happened. Therefore I am of the opinion that Wlad's supposed glass chin is highly overrated and has been blown way out of proportion.

As far as Smith and Witherspoon are concerned I give any fighter a chance it just depends on how much of a chance. And considering that both of them were average fighters with average punching power I would not give either one of them much of a chance at all. But, that is just my opinion based on what I have watched and by what I believe I know and understand.

As far Tyson is concerned he lost to Douglas in 1990. In case you don't know 1990 is part of the 1990's. He was also out for what four years and he was still able to comeback and win two alphabet belts. And why was that? Maybe it was because his opponents were pretty average fighters? That really wasn't a question because they in fact were.

In closing I believe that your hatred or strong dislike for the Klit brothers has clouded your judgement. Either that or you just don't know what you are talking about. But again that is just my opinion and you are still free to feel as if you have won the debate. Have a good one!

[StarshipTrooper]

A KO is a KO.

Some KOs are cheaper than others. Big difference between Joe Louis knocking Buddy Baer unconscious and a Klit jabbing a talentless tomato can until he quits like a dog.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Vitali Klitschko vs Lennox Lewis

THE TRUTH

Vitali took the fight on just 10 days notice then grew a vagina on his face.

Vitali was clearly winning the fight 4-2 on all 3 scorecards at the time of growing a vagina on his face.

vaginas grown on face

Vitali 1
Lewis 0

Lewis was exhausted from turning Vitali's face into a *** organ.

All the fans at Staples Center cheered for Vitali and booed Lewis after the fight because, hey, everyone loves puzzy on their faces.

Lewis promised Vitali another facial vagina.

Vitali destroyed Kirk Johnson because he was embaressed by having a vagina on his face.

Lewis turned down 30 million dollars because he knew Vitali would retire on his stool like a coward like he did with Byrd.

Vitali dominated with vagisil and scared his face vagina into retirement.

Lewis is scared to death of getting a yeast infection from Vitali's face vagina.

Glad to see you telling like it is :allhail9:

[DreamFighter]

Blubber Douglas out jabbed Tyson and kicked his a$$. I guess you missed it.

Tyson would have lost to anyone that night, he wasn't right in the head. I think that's reason enough to discount that fight.

I also never said Tucker did not fight top ten fighters. What I said was he was inconsistent against top ten fighters. And just to make it clear I am not talking about fighters that may have been ranked by the IBF. I am talking about Ring ****zine ranked fighters, or true top ten.

and yet he was a world champion. I am not sure exactly how you become a world champion without facing top contenders. EBut mate if you have an explanation for how one does that, please spill the beans, I would be interested in getting myself a belt.

Then Tony could not, like most of the other average heavyweights of the day, defend the title even one time. And after he lost to Tyson Tucker fought some lousy opponents and lost to any decent heavyweight he fought.

he became a drug addict. His form slumped from virtually undefeated to a tomato can overnight during his drug abuse years. Personally I can see the correlation. Perhaps you do too.

The reason I even said anything about Holmes resume was because, and I am paraphrasing, you stated that the Klit bros have fought bums and then stated that Holmes could have easily beaten both bros. I have top ask what was that opinion based on?

this is about H2H, as you first said. It doesn't extend to who they fought. But Holmes has beaten some stiff opps in his reign, by comparison the Klits have barely faced any stiff opps between them. Their strongest opponents are usually half fit strong men who gass early in single figure rounds. Holmes opponents were on the whole capable of lasting 15 rounds.

As far as Sanders and Wlad is concerned there is no doubt that it was a legit stoppage. But the fact is that Sanders did in fact have heavy hands he still had to knock Wlad down four times to stop him. To me that is not proof that Wlad has a glass chin.

yes, the proof is more in how Wlad runs scared from opponents and clinches them rather than risk getting hit. He does this every fight, for years and years. Its evident that Wlad knows his chin is weak, even if you don't know its weak.

If Wlad was stopped by the likes of Chris Byrd and Eddie Chambers

then it would be a crying shame to be stopped by a natural middleweight and a cruiserweight, true.

As far as Smith and Witherspoon are concerned I give any fighter a chance it just depends on how much of a chance. And considering that both of them were average fighters with average punching power I would not give either one of them much of a chance at all. But, that is just my opinion based on what I have watched and by what I believe I know and understand.

good to have your opinion, mate.

As far Tyson is concerned he lost to Douglas in 1990. In case you don't know 1990 is part of the 1990's. He was also out for what four years and he was still able to comeback and win two alphabet belts. And why was that?

Tyson was nothing like his previous self when he came back. He was still a massive sell though, so it was important that the market propagated him to maximise the profit still inherent in his name.
1990 is 1990 whatever you want to make of it, its still the start of Tyson's plummet from grace. It wasn't simply Busters jab, he had beaten plenty of great jabs before that. Falling to one fighter with a jab when you are in poor form doesn't outweight beating a series of good jabbers previously.

In closing I believe that your hatred or strong dislike for the Klit brothers has clouded your judgement.

again this is your opinion. Its my opinion that the K2 are good figureheads for the Ukraine, excellent athletes, and good boxers. So your opinion of my opinion would appear to be wrong, but that doesn't mean you are not entitled to it.

Keep adding such opinion mate its always good to hear from you.